Playing on the road on back to back nights, after blowing a game last night by allowing an undefended Bulls player to tip in a shot at the buzzer, the Nuggets didn't have anything to blow in this game, as they were blown out quickly and easily by the Toronto Raptors, who, to be fair, were playing with rest. Both Iverson and Melo, who were a combined 6/27 and who scored just 24 points combined, had one of their worst full games ever. George Karl started Reggie Evans due to Marcus Camby being out with back spasms, but since Evans had not played at all in about three weeks, his effectiveness was less than what it could have been. Although Evans had 15 rebounds in 19 minutes, he was 0/4 from the field and only 2/6 from the line.
Even worse, Nene came up empty from the field, at 0/6. Najera played for only 5 minutes, so it appears likely that he was hurt somehow, although there is nothing in the news about this as of yet. All in all, it was another game, the first one in about a month, where the entire front court of the Nuggets could hardly put the ball in the hoop at all.
Toronto had a few injury problems of their own. Starting PF and NBA all-star Chris Bosh didn't return after spraining his right ankle with 5:07 left in the third. Toronto was also without the first pick of the 2006 draft, Andrea Bargnani from Italy, who was out due to an appendectomy. Bargnani, who backs up Rasho Nesterovic at center, is averaging 11.5 ppg. and 3.9 rpg. in his rookie year. And Anthony Parker, the starting shooting guard, was out due to a sprained right ankle. But Toronto backup point guard Jose Calderon returned after missing three games with a sprained left ankle. The Nuggets were so out of sync both offensively and defensively, though, that the Raptors probably would have beaten them even if their entire starting lineup had been injured.
This nightmare of a game started with one of those runs that makes you think you might be watching what will be one of the worst routs in history. The Raptors came out hitting 6 of their first 9 shots, whereas the Nuggets missed every one of their first 15 shots. That combination produced a 12-0 Raptors lead with 7:55 to play in the 1st quarter. It actually went downhill from there, because the Raptor lead was 21 points at the end of the 1st quarter, 29 points at the end of the 2nd, and 31 points at the end of the 3rd. At least you can say that the Nuggets were able to fall farther behind more slowly as the game went along.
Apparently, the Raptors, unlike the Nuggets, do not have a reverse gear mode of play characterised by alot of turnovers and missed shots, because they never let up at all after they achieved their big 1st quarter lead. In fact, the Raptors kept building a bigger and bigger lead, until almost all starters on both squads were pulled out of the game for the entire fourth quarter, which was a very heavy dose of garbage time. You know it is heavy duty garbage time when a player named Uros Slokar, a rookie who averages just 2 minutes per game, is in there losing the ball to Blake, missing an alley oop dunk, missing a hook shot, and committing a shooting foul, all in the space of half a minute. But to be fair to Slokar, he did have 3 points in just 4 minutes on 1/4 shooting, whereas it took Nene 29 minutes to get his 3 points. So Slokar's only problem that I know of is that he is an unknown, so we should stay off his case.
J.R. Smith came in half way through the 1st quarter, and played 25 minutes. He led the Nuggets with 20 points on 9/15 shooting, including 2/5 from long range. Smith has been stuck half in and half out of George Karl's doghouse the last few weeks, and has been playing only about 10 minutes a game. But Karl, at least, thinks J.R., who is one of the very best 3-point shooters and fast break dunkers in basketball, is good enough for garbage time, so since there was plenty of that, Smith finally got a chance to show that he has not lost his shooting touch by all the bench sitting. Now we will get to see if Karl returns the player who led the Nuggets in this game back to his spot on the bench for most of the upcoming games.
Along with Smith, Steve Blake and Linas Kleiza were the other two Nuggets who prevented the kind of monster blowout that would have gotten the Nuggets into the record books for futility in a game, for the "worst rout ever" or "sorriest excuse for a game ever" or something. Blake had 15 points on 7/12 shooting and Kleiza made 4/8 of his threes and finished with 20 points on 7/17 shooting. With Smith and Kleiza a combined 6/13 from downtown, the Nuggets overall managed to shoot 8/20 from beyond the arc, so that their accuracy from long range, .400, was better than their accuracy overall, .379. That only happens in very unusual circumstances, and a team has to have a whole lot of layups rejected and dunks missed for that to occur. Sure enough, led by the center Nesterovic who had five, the Raptors had 9 blocks against the overwhelmed Nuggets, whereas the Nuggets had exactly none.
Both teams took about the same number of shots, but the Nuggets were just .379 and the Raptors were .570. The Nuggets, who lead the NBA in turnovers, had 14 turnovers, which would be mediocre for most teams but was pretty good for them. Toronto had 13 turnovers and they had 8 steals versus 5 for the Nuggets, with Melo getting two of those.
Tonight's blowout is the type of thing that happens to mediocre and bad teams from time to time, roughly once every 15-20 games for a mediocre team, or about 4-5 times during a season.. A truly good team that executes sound fundamental basketball will have this happen only roughly once every 30 or 35 games, or just two or three times a season. By my approximation, this is the sixth blowout for the Nuggets this season. So now the Nuggets, who have lost most of their losses by close margins, have been blown out at least as many times as they should be blown out for the entire season, and there are still 15 games left, 10 of them on the road, including road games in San Antonio, Utah, Phoenix, and Detroit. So the Nuggets could still end up by the end of the season blown out of more games than they are allowed to be according to the laws of probability, in which case I will have yet another reason to call for and hope for the replacement of George Karl with a new coach who will get more out of secondary players and who will be able to instill some real team pride instead of fake pride, which may be all the Nuggets actually have right now. A blowout game like this suggests that, public statements to the contrary, the Nuggets have little faith in George Karl and not much more faith in themselves to ever get it right, to play with more discipline and less defensive laziness, and with fewer sloppy turnovers.
The Nugget's record is now 34-33 with just 15 games left. The Lakers, meanwhile, have won 4 straight since their 27-point loss to the Nuggets on March 15, and Kobe Bryant has scored 215 points in those four games, leaving Melo, whose 10 points tonight looks pathetic compared to Kobe's 50, in the dust in the race for top scorer honors. The Nuggets, who for a few short days were even with the Lakers, are now two games behind them, in the 7th position in the West. The Nuggets are 2 1/2 games ahead of the Clippers, 3 games ahead of the Warriors, 4 games ahead of the Hornets, and 5 games ahead of the Wolves. If any 2 of those 4 teams pass the Nuggets, the Nuggets fail to make the playoffs, which would increase the pressure on the Denver front office and owner to make big rather than small off season moves, including the possible replacement of the head coach.
Diawara played 14 minutes and was 1/2 and 2/2 from the line for 4 points. Reggie Evans played 19 minutes and was 0/4 and 2/6 from the line for 2 points, and he had 15 rebounds, a steal, and an assist. Kleiza played 29 minutes and was 7/17, 4/8 on 3's, and 2/2 from the line for 20 points, and he also had 7 rebounds and a steal.
Nene played 29 minutes and was 0/6 and 3/4 from the line for 3 points, and he had 7 rebounds and an assist.
J.R. Smith played 25 minutes and was 9/15 and 2/5 on 3's for 20 points, and he also had 6 assists and 5 rebounds.
A.I. played 32 minutes and was 3/12, 0/3 on 3's, and 8/8 from the line for 14 points, and he had 3 assists. Iverson was 2/11 on jumpers and made 1 layup. All the other drives and layup attempts resulted in shooting fouls committed by the Raptors, and A.I. made them pay by making every single free throw.
Melo played 32 minutes and was 3/15, 1/2 on 3's, and 3/3 from the line for 10points, and he had 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 rebounds. Melo attempted 9 jump shots, and the only one that scored was the three pointer from near the left sideline.
The next game will be Sunday, March 25 in Cleveland to play the Cavaliers at 6 pm mountain time.
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Friday, March 23, 2007
Nuggets Beaten by the Bulls at the Hoop at the Buzzer 109-108
With a little assistance from a no-call with about a second left on an over the back loose ball tip by Luol Deng, and alot of assistance from the Nugget's lack of rebounding and their returning to their heavy turnover routine, the Chicago Bulls won the game with 2 tenths of a second left on a tip in by backup PF Tyrus Thomas, and stopped the Nuggets from winning six straight. Denver was leading 108-107 with 10 seconds left when SG Ben Gordon missed a jumper from the right corner. Melo had Deng boxed out on the left side of the hoop but Deng, who had 14 rebounds to 2 for Melo in the game, reached way over Melo's back to tip the ball back up a little, and there was no other Nugget positioned correctly dead center or just to the right of the basket to stop Tyrus Thomas, who was positioned there, from tipping it up and in with less than a second left. As in football, referees in basketball are very reluctant to call fouls when a game is on the line with less than 10 seconds to play, so this was one of those games where you could argue for hours and hours about who really won.
In the first quarter the Nuggets came out highly motivated to try to continue their transformation from a team that figures out a way to lose too often to a contender in the West. They took a 34-28 lead after the 1st quarter. The 2nd quarter was turnover city, and the Nuggets got beat by the home team in the quarter 27-17, so it was 55-51 Bulls at the half. Although the Nuggets fell behind by 8 early in the 3rd, by the end of the quarter, excellent jump shooting and drives to the hoop resulting in trips to the line by both Iverson and Melo, as well as a relatively few 4 turnovers, resulted in an 84-82 Nuggets lead going into the 4th.
In the 4th quarter, the Nuggets had just enough turnovers to make it very difficult to win it. George Karl has ordered the Nuggets to pass more recently, and he plays Steve Blake for most of every game for only one reason, which is that Steve Blake passes alot. But he had better remind his team to avoid passing whenever their instinct tells them that a defender is too close to where the ball would go in a pass, because the Nuggets are practically leading the NBA in having the ball (and the game) stolen from them. Passing is not always a good thing, and you should never pass just for the sake of passing.
The Nuggets led 99-92 with 5:43 to go, but that lead was gone in two minutes flat, and then there were a total of 7 lead changes down the final 3-minute stretch, with the last one being the Thomas tip in at the buzzer giving the Bulls the win. During the final stretch, the Nuggets played some good defense, but they offset that with, you guessed it, additional turnovers. Incredibly, the Nuggets had 4 turnovers in the final 3 minutes, whereas the Bulls carefully executed and had none. For the 4th quarter as a whole, the Nuggets had 7 turnovers and the Bulls just 3. So the Nuggets were passing and shooting and driving to the hoop aggressively and intelligently, but they were not careful enough about protecting the ball and losing possessions and so they left their door open so they could be robbed at the buzzer.
You could also argue a very long time about who deserved to win this game. Although the Bulls had 21 offensive rebounds to just 10 for the Nuggets and although the Nuggets had 22 turnovers to 15 for Chicago, the Nuggets did play some defense and continued to have an impressive, balanced offense. The Nuggets were a very efficient 41/74, or .554, while holding the Bulls to .465 on 47/101 shooting. Aside from being dominated on the boards, the other reason the Nuggets had so few shots compared with the Bulls was that the Bulls were whistled for 21 fouls, versus 18 for the Nuggets, and more of the Bull's fouls were shooting fouls. The Nuggets made almost all of their free throws, 21/24, with Nene getting 4/5 and both A.I. and Melo making 8/9.
Looking at players, Nuggets fans might look at Melo's two rebounds and lay some blame his way, and/or look at the fact that Marcus Camby sat out the 4th quarter with back spasms, leaving the inside defense and rebound positioning and anticipation to the much less polished Nene, the much less experienced Kleiza, and the less aggressive Najera. The entire 4th quarter was custom made for a player like Camby to secure at least a couple of key rebounds and maybe a key block. With less than a second left and you are leading by 1 point, who other than Camby and maybe Yao Ming would you want at the hoop to prevent exactly what went down to cost the Nuggets the game?
But precisely because he is the only superstar defender on the Nuggets, and because he is in general an extremely well regarded veteran with alot of years playing cat and mouse with injuries, I reckon if Camby decided that it would be best to sit out the 4th quarter due to whatever perceived health problem or threat, than you as a coach would assume he is qualified to make such a judgment and probably not argue too much. On the other hand, I can imagine certain coaches trying to urge Camby to go back in at some point as the Nuggets small 7 and 8 point leads during the 4th quarter were quickly shredded by open jumpers and turnovers and the game appeared to be heading for a photo finish.
In any event, George "Scrooge" Karl's decision about three weeks ago to totally bench one of the very best rebounders in the NBA, Reggie Evans, clearly came back to bite him in this game, after Karl, during the 5 game win streak, appeared to have pulled off a small miracle by getting away with his numerous total benchings. It is true that if you are Melo playing even more minutes than usual, 39, you have to be at least a little lazy and a little too reliant on teammates with respect to fighting for rebounds if you get just 2 rebounds. But it is also true that had Camby or Evans been close to the hoop and positioned the right way on that play with a second left, it's hard to imagine that the Nuggets could have lost this game. But both Camby and Evans were sitting on the bench at the time.
With J.R. Smith held to 10 minutes and clearly under heavy threat from Karl regarding losing even those minutes if he hoists too many threes, Linas Kleiza provided virtually all of the three-point shooting for the Nuggets, and it was not quite enough. Kleiza was 4/7 and the team as a whole was 5/13. Meanwhile, the Bulls were an extremely efficient and damaging 7/14 from 3-point land, with both PG Chris Duhan and SG Ben Gordon 2/3 and PG Kirk Hinrich 3/8 from downtown. You might agree with the Reggie Evans benching, and it is true that Evans has no jump shot to speak of, misses half his free throws, and is subject to losing the ball too often. But to eliminate George Karl as a suspect in the crime of this loss, you would also have to agree with the coache's decision to hold J.R. Smith, who was one of the top 3-point shooters in the league until his shots were heavily restricted by Karl, to just 10 minutes or so a game.
In any event, no matter who you want to blame, the Nuggets have lost more close games this season than almost anyone, and, more broadly, they seem to always have the wrong players in the game at critical times, and the right players in the games during meaningless times. (Isaiah Thomas would definitely agree with the last part of that statement.) They way too often seem to have just enough turnovers to put a winnable game into jeopardy, or to lose it. When they were shooting badly and were badly imbalanced offensively, they would make up for it by dominating the boards, but still lose close games due to the sheer lack of points. For almost three weeks now, due to the emergence of Linas Kleiza, the continuing offensive development of Nene, the smarter shot selection of Blake, and Camby's improving jump shot, the Nuggets have been much more balanced and efficient offensively, only to still lose when they act like they have forgotten what a rebound is or when they turn it over a gazillion times.
Being a Nuggets fan this year is subjecting yourself to alot of frustration, because here you have a team that is statistically much better than it's record, but seems to be unable to put a complete package on the court for very many games. If you didn't know any better, you might think the Nuggets have a strange desire to make sure that the other team is amost always able to win the game by taking advantage of whatever big shortcoming the Nuggets are featuring, with the most common shortcomings featured being very poor shooting outside of Melo, A.I., and maybe someone else, poor rebounding, poor possession protection, and poor defense. To beat the Nuggets, a team simply takes full advantage of whatever the Nuggets have decided not to do on a given night and burn 'em for it.
The fans are frustrated because they don't understand why the Nuggets always seem to do, or not do, just enough to put themselves in a position to lose. And basketball analysts are dumbfounded by the Nugget's inconsistencies and can not anymore even hazard a reasonable guess as to the fate of these Nuggets. Any commentator who says the Nuggets are plain bad (Charles Barkley, for example) looks like a fool within a week or two, but any commentator who says the Nuggets are solid and are going to contend in the West next year if not this year, also will look like a fool within a week or two. The Nuggets fate this season could be anything from failing to make the playoffs at one extreme to appearing in the Western Conference final at the other extreme. The Nuggets are Team Mystery.
For now, Melo's leading the NBA in scoring is history, as Kobe Bryant has left Melo in the dust by making history and scoring 165 points in the three Laker games since the poor one in Denver one week ago. As a result of Bryant's historic week, and the Nugget's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory shown so well in tonight's game, the Nuggets have fallen behind the Lakers again for the 6th seed in the playoffs. However, assuming the Nuggets can hold the 7th seed, it might work to their benefit; they seem to match up better against the Suns, who the 7th seed will probably play in the playoffs, than against the Spurs, who the 6th seed will probably play.
Kleiza played for 22 minutes and was 4/10 and 4/7 on 3's for 12 points, and he had 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and a block. Najera played 24 minutes and was 2/5 for 4 points, and he had 6 steals, 6 rebounds, a block, and an assist. Although Najera does not score enough, he is one of the only Nuggets whose caution keeps his turnover count very low.
Steve Blake played 37 minutes and was 2/4 and 0/1 on 3's for 4 points, and he had 9 assists, 4 rebounds, and a steal.
J.R. Smith played only 10 minutes and was 3/5, 0/1 on 3's and 1/1 from the line for 7 points.
Nene played 37 minutes and was 7/9 and 4/5 from the line for 18 points, and he had 12 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 assists.
Camby played 27 minutes and was 2/4 for 4 points, and he had 8 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, and a steal.
Melo played 39 minutes and was 10/19, 0/2 on 3's, and 8/9 from the line for 28 points, and he had 3 assists, 2 rebounds, and a steal. Melo was an excellent 6/13 on jumpers.
A.I. played 40 minutes and was 11/18, 1/2 on 3's, and 8/9 from the line for 31points, and he also had 6 assists, 2 rebounds, and a steal. A.I. was an excellent 6/12 on jumpers.
The next game is Friday, March 23 in Toronto to play the Raptors at 5 pm mountain time.
In the first quarter the Nuggets came out highly motivated to try to continue their transformation from a team that figures out a way to lose too often to a contender in the West. They took a 34-28 lead after the 1st quarter. The 2nd quarter was turnover city, and the Nuggets got beat by the home team in the quarter 27-17, so it was 55-51 Bulls at the half. Although the Nuggets fell behind by 8 early in the 3rd, by the end of the quarter, excellent jump shooting and drives to the hoop resulting in trips to the line by both Iverson and Melo, as well as a relatively few 4 turnovers, resulted in an 84-82 Nuggets lead going into the 4th.
In the 4th quarter, the Nuggets had just enough turnovers to make it very difficult to win it. George Karl has ordered the Nuggets to pass more recently, and he plays Steve Blake for most of every game for only one reason, which is that Steve Blake passes alot. But he had better remind his team to avoid passing whenever their instinct tells them that a defender is too close to where the ball would go in a pass, because the Nuggets are practically leading the NBA in having the ball (and the game) stolen from them. Passing is not always a good thing, and you should never pass just for the sake of passing.
The Nuggets led 99-92 with 5:43 to go, but that lead was gone in two minutes flat, and then there were a total of 7 lead changes down the final 3-minute stretch, with the last one being the Thomas tip in at the buzzer giving the Bulls the win. During the final stretch, the Nuggets played some good defense, but they offset that with, you guessed it, additional turnovers. Incredibly, the Nuggets had 4 turnovers in the final 3 minutes, whereas the Bulls carefully executed and had none. For the 4th quarter as a whole, the Nuggets had 7 turnovers and the Bulls just 3. So the Nuggets were passing and shooting and driving to the hoop aggressively and intelligently, but they were not careful enough about protecting the ball and losing possessions and so they left their door open so they could be robbed at the buzzer.
You could also argue a very long time about who deserved to win this game. Although the Bulls had 21 offensive rebounds to just 10 for the Nuggets and although the Nuggets had 22 turnovers to 15 for Chicago, the Nuggets did play some defense and continued to have an impressive, balanced offense. The Nuggets were a very efficient 41/74, or .554, while holding the Bulls to .465 on 47/101 shooting. Aside from being dominated on the boards, the other reason the Nuggets had so few shots compared with the Bulls was that the Bulls were whistled for 21 fouls, versus 18 for the Nuggets, and more of the Bull's fouls were shooting fouls. The Nuggets made almost all of their free throws, 21/24, with Nene getting 4/5 and both A.I. and Melo making 8/9.
Looking at players, Nuggets fans might look at Melo's two rebounds and lay some blame his way, and/or look at the fact that Marcus Camby sat out the 4th quarter with back spasms, leaving the inside defense and rebound positioning and anticipation to the much less polished Nene, the much less experienced Kleiza, and the less aggressive Najera. The entire 4th quarter was custom made for a player like Camby to secure at least a couple of key rebounds and maybe a key block. With less than a second left and you are leading by 1 point, who other than Camby and maybe Yao Ming would you want at the hoop to prevent exactly what went down to cost the Nuggets the game?
But precisely because he is the only superstar defender on the Nuggets, and because he is in general an extremely well regarded veteran with alot of years playing cat and mouse with injuries, I reckon if Camby decided that it would be best to sit out the 4th quarter due to whatever perceived health problem or threat, than you as a coach would assume he is qualified to make such a judgment and probably not argue too much. On the other hand, I can imagine certain coaches trying to urge Camby to go back in at some point as the Nuggets small 7 and 8 point leads during the 4th quarter were quickly shredded by open jumpers and turnovers and the game appeared to be heading for a photo finish.
In any event, George "Scrooge" Karl's decision about three weeks ago to totally bench one of the very best rebounders in the NBA, Reggie Evans, clearly came back to bite him in this game, after Karl, during the 5 game win streak, appeared to have pulled off a small miracle by getting away with his numerous total benchings. It is true that if you are Melo playing even more minutes than usual, 39, you have to be at least a little lazy and a little too reliant on teammates with respect to fighting for rebounds if you get just 2 rebounds. But it is also true that had Camby or Evans been close to the hoop and positioned the right way on that play with a second left, it's hard to imagine that the Nuggets could have lost this game. But both Camby and Evans were sitting on the bench at the time.
With J.R. Smith held to 10 minutes and clearly under heavy threat from Karl regarding losing even those minutes if he hoists too many threes, Linas Kleiza provided virtually all of the three-point shooting for the Nuggets, and it was not quite enough. Kleiza was 4/7 and the team as a whole was 5/13. Meanwhile, the Bulls were an extremely efficient and damaging 7/14 from 3-point land, with both PG Chris Duhan and SG Ben Gordon 2/3 and PG Kirk Hinrich 3/8 from downtown. You might agree with the Reggie Evans benching, and it is true that Evans has no jump shot to speak of, misses half his free throws, and is subject to losing the ball too often. But to eliminate George Karl as a suspect in the crime of this loss, you would also have to agree with the coache's decision to hold J.R. Smith, who was one of the top 3-point shooters in the league until his shots were heavily restricted by Karl, to just 10 minutes or so a game.
In any event, no matter who you want to blame, the Nuggets have lost more close games this season than almost anyone, and, more broadly, they seem to always have the wrong players in the game at critical times, and the right players in the games during meaningless times. (Isaiah Thomas would definitely agree with the last part of that statement.) They way too often seem to have just enough turnovers to put a winnable game into jeopardy, or to lose it. When they were shooting badly and were badly imbalanced offensively, they would make up for it by dominating the boards, but still lose close games due to the sheer lack of points. For almost three weeks now, due to the emergence of Linas Kleiza, the continuing offensive development of Nene, the smarter shot selection of Blake, and Camby's improving jump shot, the Nuggets have been much more balanced and efficient offensively, only to still lose when they act like they have forgotten what a rebound is or when they turn it over a gazillion times.
Being a Nuggets fan this year is subjecting yourself to alot of frustration, because here you have a team that is statistically much better than it's record, but seems to be unable to put a complete package on the court for very many games. If you didn't know any better, you might think the Nuggets have a strange desire to make sure that the other team is amost always able to win the game by taking advantage of whatever big shortcoming the Nuggets are featuring, with the most common shortcomings featured being very poor shooting outside of Melo, A.I., and maybe someone else, poor rebounding, poor possession protection, and poor defense. To beat the Nuggets, a team simply takes full advantage of whatever the Nuggets have decided not to do on a given night and burn 'em for it.
The fans are frustrated because they don't understand why the Nuggets always seem to do, or not do, just enough to put themselves in a position to lose. And basketball analysts are dumbfounded by the Nugget's inconsistencies and can not anymore even hazard a reasonable guess as to the fate of these Nuggets. Any commentator who says the Nuggets are plain bad (Charles Barkley, for example) looks like a fool within a week or two, but any commentator who says the Nuggets are solid and are going to contend in the West next year if not this year, also will look like a fool within a week or two. The Nuggets fate this season could be anything from failing to make the playoffs at one extreme to appearing in the Western Conference final at the other extreme. The Nuggets are Team Mystery.
For now, Melo's leading the NBA in scoring is history, as Kobe Bryant has left Melo in the dust by making history and scoring 165 points in the three Laker games since the poor one in Denver one week ago. As a result of Bryant's historic week, and the Nugget's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory shown so well in tonight's game, the Nuggets have fallen behind the Lakers again for the 6th seed in the playoffs. However, assuming the Nuggets can hold the 7th seed, it might work to their benefit; they seem to match up better against the Suns, who the 7th seed will probably play in the playoffs, than against the Spurs, who the 6th seed will probably play.
Kleiza played for 22 minutes and was 4/10 and 4/7 on 3's for 12 points, and he had 3 rebounds, 2 assists, and a block. Najera played 24 minutes and was 2/5 for 4 points, and he had 6 steals, 6 rebounds, a block, and an assist. Although Najera does not score enough, he is one of the only Nuggets whose caution keeps his turnover count very low.
Steve Blake played 37 minutes and was 2/4 and 0/1 on 3's for 4 points, and he had 9 assists, 4 rebounds, and a steal.
J.R. Smith played only 10 minutes and was 3/5, 0/1 on 3's and 1/1 from the line for 7 points.
Nene played 37 minutes and was 7/9 and 4/5 from the line for 18 points, and he had 12 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 assists.
Camby played 27 minutes and was 2/4 for 4 points, and he had 8 rebounds, 3 blocks, 3 assists, and a steal.
Melo played 39 minutes and was 10/19, 0/2 on 3's, and 8/9 from the line for 28 points, and he had 3 assists, 2 rebounds, and a steal. Melo was an excellent 6/13 on jumpers.
A.I. played 40 minutes and was 11/18, 1/2 on 3's, and 8/9 from the line for 31points, and he also had 6 assists, 2 rebounds, and a steal. A.I. was an excellent 6/12 on jumpers.
The next game is Friday, March 23 in Toronto to play the Raptors at 5 pm mountain time.
Wednesday, March 21, 2007
Nuggets Use Defense & Determination to Beat Nets 94-90
The Nets had beaten the Nuggets every time since the turn of the century, but the Nuggets, with new found confidence coming out of their recent strong homestand, as well as a new and much smarter way of playing, turned the Nets back on their court by holding on to a shrinking but never disappearing lead throughout the 4th quarter and coming away with a well-earned win 94-90. It was the first time this season that the Nuggets won without scoring 100 points, after they lost all 21 previous such games. The coaches and fans of the Nuggets have now gotten some positive results from all their pleadings from their favorite team regarding tougher defense, more offensive balance, and reduction of foolish turnovers.
In an excellent display of team coordination, six Nuggets had 5 or more rebounds, and 5 Nuggets had 3 or more assists. It simply doesn't get much better than that with regard to playing as a unified team. The Nuggets had 47 rebounds versus 40 for the Nets, and 8 steals versus 6 for the Nets. In a game where the other team is shooting .400, you don't need heroes on offense, and there weren't any. Melo was no hero because you can usually take it to the bank these days that Melo will get about 30 points, not much less and not much more. He is not an explosive scorer like Kobe Bryant, A.I. and many other great players, but that fact has some thinking that his game is still developing and he will be even better in the coming years.
So maybe Melo, by not being able to or not wanting to try to explode for 40 or 50 as Kobe Bryant has done recently for the Lakers, telegraphed to his team that everybody had to join in a full team effort to turn things around, meaning more defense, more passing, and fewer turnovers. Along with more wins, the side benefit would be getting that cranky old scrooge, George Karl, off everyone's backs. Right now I don't know who is responsible for this; but if I had to bet, I would say it is due to a combination of A.I., Melo, Camby, and the coach telling the team that it was either all for one and one for all, or else the Nuggets were going nowhere except to the land of underachievement and off season blowup. Either the changes mentioned above had to be made now, or else this year's Nuggets will be transformed into something totally different next year. It was put up or wait to be traded time.
Apparently, most of the Nuggets like this team as it is, because they have truly transformed themselves following the miserable loss to the Detroit Pistons in Denver on March 9. The 5 straight wins the Nuggets have are almost beside the point; the outstanding thing is how the Nuggets got those wins. They no longer even try to win by points alone, but now they bring a much more complete and smart approach to the court.
All of a sudden, it's more like a normal basketball team and less like the swashbuckling, devil-may-care Nuggets of earlier this season. It's not just Nene, Camby, and Najera playing solid defense anymore. Iverson, Melo, and Blake have all upgraded their defense somewhat to reduce the number of open looks that the opposing team is getting. In a game where both teams shot .400, the game was to be won by whoever executed down the stretch better and it was the New Nuggets who executed better, whereas the Old Nuggets would have had no chance. And despite a bunch of offensive fouls tonight, which count as turnovers, the total number of turnovers was 16, which is not that bad for the Nuggets.
The Nuggets were just 5/17 on threes, and 3-point specialists Kleiza and J.R. Smith were a combined 1/5. Iverson, who often seems to know all the keys to how a game will be won or lost while he is playing it, which is almost scary when you think of it, went all out to bury some 3's, but came up almost empty with 1/6. Blake made 1/3, but early in the 3rd quarter, SG Vince Carter, the scoring leader for the Nets, fouled Blake on a three-point shot, and Blake made all three free throws. But Melo was needed to try to get the Nuggets the minimum number of three-pointers needed to win this game, and Melo did get 2/3 of them.
Every three point shot Melo makes should get the other teams in the West a little more worried about the Nuggets, because Melo has seen his three point shooting decline somewhat over his 4 seasons in the NBA. Right now, the Nuggets can be outgunned by heavy three point shooting teams like the Rockets and the Suns, but this becomes much less likely if Melo can hit at least two long shots each game, and Kleiza and J.R. Smith combined get five or more of the big ones per game. Throw in one or two from A.I. and Blake and you have enough to avoid being blown out by teams like the Spurs.
The maturing of the Nuggets as a fully functional, balanced, quality team seems with this game to be more reality and less a dream. The Nuggets were given every opportunity to go back to their sloppy, lazy defense style in the fourth quarter, but for the most part they resisted all the temptations and stayed tough, poised, and focused. They kept their eye on the prize, which was a win to start a tough 5-game road trip, instead of playing according to instinct alone, which they used to do as recently as 10 days ago.
The Nuggets have learned that you need to think a little about how you are playing while you are playing, especially in the 4th quarter. Does the situation require a more intense defense, or do you have hot hands out there so you can just run and gun to a win? Should you go inside and get assistance from the referees calling a tight game, or are the referees letting alot of contact go, in which case you have to look for open jumpers? Should you chew some clock or not? Who is hitting on the other team and so needs extra pressure put on him? These are four of the most important considerations for a team that is trying to close out a game they have a subtantial lead in. A team that has learned how to win is a team that has learned how to answer those questions while they are playing. They think about them, answer them, and execute accordingly.
The Nuggets, other than A.I., seemed to know almost nothing about these basketball strategies and tactics until relatively recently. Now all of a sudden, you have a team that seems to know what it is doing out there, and is not just running around trying to show how good they look running around out there. The old Nuggets could be entertaining, and the kids sure got a kick out of them, but I, for one, will be glad if that team comes back as little as possible in the future. If I want to see pirates, I'll go to a movie.
Aside from closing out the game well, there were other signs that the Nuggets finally are playing as a team and playing smart. They started the game well, avoiding falling behind big in the 1st quarter as many road teams do. When the Nets went on a run in the 2nd quarter, the Nuggets did not collapse completely, so that the Net's lead at the half was just 7, 49-42. The biggest Nets lead of the game was just 8 points, at 44-36, with 2 minutes left in the half.
The 3rd quarter was a work of basketball art, and a big sign that a quality team has suddenly appeared in place of the old, out of control Nuggets. The scoring came from every man on the floor, while the defense was energetic and pressing. 13 of the 31 points were from free throws, as the aggressive Nuggets drew 7 fouls in the quarter, including three committed by Vince Carter, who the Nets were depending on to pull out this game, but who had to sit with 3:38 left in the third with 4 fouls. Meanwhile, the Nuggets were getting mostly offensive fouls; Nene, Najera, and Melo were called for these, but the Nets got almost no payoff from them. The Nene offensive foul was followed by Iverson stealing the ball from Kidd and the Najera offensive foul was followed by Kleiza stealing from Nachbar. When the offensive fouls were called, the Nuggets did not try to blame the refs and they did not start losing confidence and their composure. Rather, they continued to play at a high level and were able to steal the ball right back two out of three times. That is called not letting pressure get to you.
After three quarters it was 73-65 Nuggets. In the fourth, the Nuggets were going inside to draw fouls and dishing back out for open threes. They were wisely avoiding shooting alot of midrange jumpers, and they kept the tempo slow in accordance with the fact that no one on either team had a hot scoring hand. The Nets closed to 76-73 Nuggets, only to see Melo bury a three with 8:30 to go. Then the Nets closed to 79-78 Nuggets, only to see Melo feed Najera for a layup +1. A little bit later, with 4:56 to go, the Nuggets lead was back up to 8, at 88-80, on another Melo three. The old Nuggets then reappeared briefly, with Camby and Melo turning it over, and the Nets pulled within 2, to 88-86 Nuggets with 3:15 to go. Then Iverson made a driving layup, Carter got a dunk, Camby missed a jumper, and then Kidd missed a three. Then Nene fed Melo for a drive to the hoop and he layed it in and converted a foul so it was 93-88 Nuggets with 1:38 to go. Nene fouled out by fouling Jefferson, who made both free throws, so it was 93-90 Nuggets with 1:11 to play. In the final minute, Melo missed a jumper and Iverson missed a three, but Carter walked and then, with 9 seconds left, the Nuggets won their hard-earned victory when Carter missed a wide open three. You see, when you work hard, things, including the refs, frequently go your way, even when you are not perfect and have a blown coverage or two late.
Although Carter had 9 rebounds and 7 assists to go with his 29 points on 10/24 shooting from the field, he was affected enough by the game long pesky defense, that he missed a wide open three-pointer with 9 seconds left that most likely would have sent the game into overtime. So the Nuggets worked their tails off all night and affected Carter just enough so that he would miss that wide open three, and that's how they earned their 5th straight win. They remained equal with the Lakers for the 6th spot in the West.
In summary, this game is real evidence that the Nuggets may have finally thought things through enough, worked on weaknesses in practice enough, and pumped themselves up enough before a game to be able to perform what they have learned and worked on. I'm not saying the Nuggets are ever going to be a finely tuned engine like the Spurs or the Mavericks, but I am saying that they don't seem to be an engine that often cuts out and needs to be hauled to the garage these days.
Najera played 22 minutes and was 3/7 and 3/3 from the line for 9 points, and he had 7 rebounds and 3 assists. Kleiza played 28 minutes and was 3/8 and 1/4 on 3's for 7 points, and he had 5 rebounds and a steal.
J.R. Smith played 10 minutes and was 0/2 and 0/1 on 3's for 0 points.
Steve Blake played 35 minutes and was 3/9, 1/3 on 3's, and 3/3 from the line for 10 points, and he had 6 assists and 6 rebounds.
Nene played 31 minutes and was 4/6 for 8 points, and he had 11 rebounds, 2 steals, a block, and an assist.
Marcus Camby played 36 minutes and was 1/5 and 8/8 from the line for 10 points, and he had 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, 4 assists, and a steal. Camby's NBA lead in blocks remains very secure, but Bryant's 115 points in two games have put him slightly ahead of Melo now in the race for top scorer.
A.I. played virtually the entire game and was 8/23, 1/6 on 3's, and 3/6 from the line for 20 points, and he added 5 assists, 4 steals, and 5 rebounds.
Melo played 29 minutes and was 10/20, 2/3 on 3's, and 8/12 from the line for 30 points, and he also had 4 rebounds and 3 assists.
The next game will be Thursday, March 22 in Chicago to play the Bulls at 6:30 pm mountain time.
In an excellent display of team coordination, six Nuggets had 5 or more rebounds, and 5 Nuggets had 3 or more assists. It simply doesn't get much better than that with regard to playing as a unified team. The Nuggets had 47 rebounds versus 40 for the Nets, and 8 steals versus 6 for the Nets. In a game where the other team is shooting .400, you don't need heroes on offense, and there weren't any. Melo was no hero because you can usually take it to the bank these days that Melo will get about 30 points, not much less and not much more. He is not an explosive scorer like Kobe Bryant, A.I. and many other great players, but that fact has some thinking that his game is still developing and he will be even better in the coming years.
So maybe Melo, by not being able to or not wanting to try to explode for 40 or 50 as Kobe Bryant has done recently for the Lakers, telegraphed to his team that everybody had to join in a full team effort to turn things around, meaning more defense, more passing, and fewer turnovers. Along with more wins, the side benefit would be getting that cranky old scrooge, George Karl, off everyone's backs. Right now I don't know who is responsible for this; but if I had to bet, I would say it is due to a combination of A.I., Melo, Camby, and the coach telling the team that it was either all for one and one for all, or else the Nuggets were going nowhere except to the land of underachievement and off season blowup. Either the changes mentioned above had to be made now, or else this year's Nuggets will be transformed into something totally different next year. It was put up or wait to be traded time.
Apparently, most of the Nuggets like this team as it is, because they have truly transformed themselves following the miserable loss to the Detroit Pistons in Denver on March 9. The 5 straight wins the Nuggets have are almost beside the point; the outstanding thing is how the Nuggets got those wins. They no longer even try to win by points alone, but now they bring a much more complete and smart approach to the court.
All of a sudden, it's more like a normal basketball team and less like the swashbuckling, devil-may-care Nuggets of earlier this season. It's not just Nene, Camby, and Najera playing solid defense anymore. Iverson, Melo, and Blake have all upgraded their defense somewhat to reduce the number of open looks that the opposing team is getting. In a game where both teams shot .400, the game was to be won by whoever executed down the stretch better and it was the New Nuggets who executed better, whereas the Old Nuggets would have had no chance. And despite a bunch of offensive fouls tonight, which count as turnovers, the total number of turnovers was 16, which is not that bad for the Nuggets.
The Nuggets were just 5/17 on threes, and 3-point specialists Kleiza and J.R. Smith were a combined 1/5. Iverson, who often seems to know all the keys to how a game will be won or lost while he is playing it, which is almost scary when you think of it, went all out to bury some 3's, but came up almost empty with 1/6. Blake made 1/3, but early in the 3rd quarter, SG Vince Carter, the scoring leader for the Nets, fouled Blake on a three-point shot, and Blake made all three free throws. But Melo was needed to try to get the Nuggets the minimum number of three-pointers needed to win this game, and Melo did get 2/3 of them.
Every three point shot Melo makes should get the other teams in the West a little more worried about the Nuggets, because Melo has seen his three point shooting decline somewhat over his 4 seasons in the NBA. Right now, the Nuggets can be outgunned by heavy three point shooting teams like the Rockets and the Suns, but this becomes much less likely if Melo can hit at least two long shots each game, and Kleiza and J.R. Smith combined get five or more of the big ones per game. Throw in one or two from A.I. and Blake and you have enough to avoid being blown out by teams like the Spurs.
The maturing of the Nuggets as a fully functional, balanced, quality team seems with this game to be more reality and less a dream. The Nuggets were given every opportunity to go back to their sloppy, lazy defense style in the fourth quarter, but for the most part they resisted all the temptations and stayed tough, poised, and focused. They kept their eye on the prize, which was a win to start a tough 5-game road trip, instead of playing according to instinct alone, which they used to do as recently as 10 days ago.
The Nuggets have learned that you need to think a little about how you are playing while you are playing, especially in the 4th quarter. Does the situation require a more intense defense, or do you have hot hands out there so you can just run and gun to a win? Should you go inside and get assistance from the referees calling a tight game, or are the referees letting alot of contact go, in which case you have to look for open jumpers? Should you chew some clock or not? Who is hitting on the other team and so needs extra pressure put on him? These are four of the most important considerations for a team that is trying to close out a game they have a subtantial lead in. A team that has learned how to win is a team that has learned how to answer those questions while they are playing. They think about them, answer them, and execute accordingly.
The Nuggets, other than A.I., seemed to know almost nothing about these basketball strategies and tactics until relatively recently. Now all of a sudden, you have a team that seems to know what it is doing out there, and is not just running around trying to show how good they look running around out there. The old Nuggets could be entertaining, and the kids sure got a kick out of them, but I, for one, will be glad if that team comes back as little as possible in the future. If I want to see pirates, I'll go to a movie.
Aside from closing out the game well, there were other signs that the Nuggets finally are playing as a team and playing smart. They started the game well, avoiding falling behind big in the 1st quarter as many road teams do. When the Nets went on a run in the 2nd quarter, the Nuggets did not collapse completely, so that the Net's lead at the half was just 7, 49-42. The biggest Nets lead of the game was just 8 points, at 44-36, with 2 minutes left in the half.
The 3rd quarter was a work of basketball art, and a big sign that a quality team has suddenly appeared in place of the old, out of control Nuggets. The scoring came from every man on the floor, while the defense was energetic and pressing. 13 of the 31 points were from free throws, as the aggressive Nuggets drew 7 fouls in the quarter, including three committed by Vince Carter, who the Nets were depending on to pull out this game, but who had to sit with 3:38 left in the third with 4 fouls. Meanwhile, the Nuggets were getting mostly offensive fouls; Nene, Najera, and Melo were called for these, but the Nets got almost no payoff from them. The Nene offensive foul was followed by Iverson stealing the ball from Kidd and the Najera offensive foul was followed by Kleiza stealing from Nachbar. When the offensive fouls were called, the Nuggets did not try to blame the refs and they did not start losing confidence and their composure. Rather, they continued to play at a high level and were able to steal the ball right back two out of three times. That is called not letting pressure get to you.
After three quarters it was 73-65 Nuggets. In the fourth, the Nuggets were going inside to draw fouls and dishing back out for open threes. They were wisely avoiding shooting alot of midrange jumpers, and they kept the tempo slow in accordance with the fact that no one on either team had a hot scoring hand. The Nets closed to 76-73 Nuggets, only to see Melo bury a three with 8:30 to go. Then the Nets closed to 79-78 Nuggets, only to see Melo feed Najera for a layup +1. A little bit later, with 4:56 to go, the Nuggets lead was back up to 8, at 88-80, on another Melo three. The old Nuggets then reappeared briefly, with Camby and Melo turning it over, and the Nets pulled within 2, to 88-86 Nuggets with 3:15 to go. Then Iverson made a driving layup, Carter got a dunk, Camby missed a jumper, and then Kidd missed a three. Then Nene fed Melo for a drive to the hoop and he layed it in and converted a foul so it was 93-88 Nuggets with 1:38 to go. Nene fouled out by fouling Jefferson, who made both free throws, so it was 93-90 Nuggets with 1:11 to play. In the final minute, Melo missed a jumper and Iverson missed a three, but Carter walked and then, with 9 seconds left, the Nuggets won their hard-earned victory when Carter missed a wide open three. You see, when you work hard, things, including the refs, frequently go your way, even when you are not perfect and have a blown coverage or two late.
Although Carter had 9 rebounds and 7 assists to go with his 29 points on 10/24 shooting from the field, he was affected enough by the game long pesky defense, that he missed a wide open three-pointer with 9 seconds left that most likely would have sent the game into overtime. So the Nuggets worked their tails off all night and affected Carter just enough so that he would miss that wide open three, and that's how they earned their 5th straight win. They remained equal with the Lakers for the 6th spot in the West.
In summary, this game is real evidence that the Nuggets may have finally thought things through enough, worked on weaknesses in practice enough, and pumped themselves up enough before a game to be able to perform what they have learned and worked on. I'm not saying the Nuggets are ever going to be a finely tuned engine like the Spurs or the Mavericks, but I am saying that they don't seem to be an engine that often cuts out and needs to be hauled to the garage these days.
Najera played 22 minutes and was 3/7 and 3/3 from the line for 9 points, and he had 7 rebounds and 3 assists. Kleiza played 28 minutes and was 3/8 and 1/4 on 3's for 7 points, and he had 5 rebounds and a steal.
J.R. Smith played 10 minutes and was 0/2 and 0/1 on 3's for 0 points.
Steve Blake played 35 minutes and was 3/9, 1/3 on 3's, and 3/3 from the line for 10 points, and he had 6 assists and 6 rebounds.
Nene played 31 minutes and was 4/6 for 8 points, and he had 11 rebounds, 2 steals, a block, and an assist.
Marcus Camby played 36 minutes and was 1/5 and 8/8 from the line for 10 points, and he had 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, 4 assists, and a steal. Camby's NBA lead in blocks remains very secure, but Bryant's 115 points in two games have put him slightly ahead of Melo now in the race for top scorer.
A.I. played virtually the entire game and was 8/23, 1/6 on 3's, and 3/6 from the line for 20 points, and he added 5 assists, 4 steals, and 5 rebounds.
Melo played 29 minutes and was 10/20, 2/3 on 3's, and 8/12 from the line for 30 points, and he also had 4 rebounds and 3 assists.
The next game will be Thursday, March 22 in Chicago to play the Bulls at 6:30 pm mountain time.
Sunday, March 18, 2007
A.I. & The Nuggets Run the Suns Out of Denver 131-107
"A.I. likes to play." That's how George Karl should answer if he gets someone asking him why he was left in this blowout until 3:39 left with the Nuggets leading by 31. I remember once the coach at my University was asked that same question after a blowout about the top player still being in the game late and he answered "kid likes to play." That shut that question down. Melo was pulled with 10 minutes to go. He likes his team to play well even more than he likes himself to play well, so I guess it makes sense he would come out alot earlier. But since Kobe Bryant scored 65 points last night, Melo's lead over Bryant in the scoring race is down to almost nothing.
I'll say A.I. likes to play. In a throwback to the storybook land of his early years with the Sixers, A.I. exploded for 44 points on incredible 16/22 shooting. He made 10/15 jumpers overall, and 2/3 from beyond the arc. He had 15 assists of the Nuggets amazing 35, and drew numerous fouls, including one from Nash from beyond the arc, and yes, he made all three free throws from that. A.I. was even more everywhere than usual, and with relentless sunk jumpers, aggressive drives to and all around the hoop, virtually no turnovers, and pesky defense, drove Steve Nash and Raja Bell in particular up the wall. PG Nash, the official spokesman of the Suns, had to publicly admit that there was no way the Suns could possibly have beaten the Nuggets in this game. Raja Bell was rattled, mostly by A.I., into a 5/17 shooting night and a technical.
So led by Iverson, and backed up by immense talent and a will to win that must have been off the scale, the Denver Under Achievers buried the Phoenix Suns in one of the most impressive offensive displays of basketball in Denver since ABA days. I say the Nuggets are the Under Achievers because they exposed themselves that way in this game, their first total blowout of the season. Any team that can shoot .573 and hold the Suns to .444 had no business blowing ten 4th quarter leads this season, and they had no business losing 17 of 36 games at home. Instead of achieving what they could have had they done more playing and less assuming, the Nuggets have made life difficult for their coach and their fans. They have confused the heck out of numerous basketball observers, by frequently playing loose and sloppy, lazy and foolish, and then saying to the world "We were just foolin you guys", by proceeding to beat the bejesus out of the Lakers and the Suns this week.
True, A.I. and Melo were a combined 29/42 for 73 points, which is going to be rare, but Camby was 4/6 on the jump shots he insists on making, and Nene, who is most likely never going to be a good jump shooter, was 5/7 with no jumpers attempted. Even Najera joined the festivities by exploading for 8 points on 3/5 points. (For Najera, that was exploding.) It can only be on a major occasion, like a big holiday, that Najera puts up 5 shots. So here you had almost the entire front court of the Nuggets playing both smart and well, something which seemed about as likely as the Syracuse Orangemen winning the March Madness tournament this year. In pro ball, March Madness was definitely in Denver this week.
The Suns met their much less polished cousins in the run and gun style of basketball, and they were shocked at the intermission that these upstarts from the wrong side of the tracks had scored 70 on them in the half, for a 70-44 lead. The Nuggets shot 68 percent in the first half and the Suns shot just 33 percent. "Why the rudeness of it, just who do these poor kin think they are?" the Suns must have exclaimed at the half. "How can they be killing us, no respectable basketball analyst thinks the Nuggets have a chance to beat us, the Mavs, or the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs?" Maybe so, Stoudemire, Marion, and Nash, but non-establishment analysts still think it is possible, so don't count your chickens just yet.
The Nuggets had two 1-2 punches offensively in this game, with A.I. and Melo providing the big uppercuts and Nene and Camby applying the jabs to cause the Suns to get dizzy and lose their composure in the 1st half. How could the Nuggets not beat the Mavs, the Spurs, or the Suns if they had all of this action going? The Nuggets win any game where Camby hits his jumpers, Nene sticks with layups and dunks, and either A.I. or Melo explode while the other one gets 25 or more. And Kleiza or J.R. Smith stand ready to assist when that forumula is not working quite right, which will be almost always.
George "Scrooge" Karl recently started to worry about his future in Denver, and so he resolved in fear to play just 7 men until J.R. Smith returned, as few as a coach can play without being labelled insane. At one point, intense Nuggets fans including me started to worry that Karl was starting to become delusional. As long as Kleiza doesn't go back to 1-7 games, and as long as J.R. eases back into the flow for the umpteenth time, Karl can feel secure with an 8-man rotation, at least until any one of the 8 gets injured. If there is an injury, Karl's gamble is lost and the Nuggets are in big trouble again. On the other hand, if these eight, who clearly have the skills to go the distance, stay healthy and truly have the heart and desire to go the distance, and not be the Under Achievers any more, then Avery Johnson or Greg Popovich may have these same upstarts from the wrong side of the tracks, and the short end of the popularity contests, come calling when it is Western Conference finals time.
I have gone back and forth on the question of whether it is possible for the Nuggets to upset one of the big teams of the West in the playoffs. I had just gotten totally comfortable with the idea that the Nuggets could not possibly win a playoff series and now this game comes along to mess up the calculations. Now I am back again to simply not knowing whether the Nuggets have a chance or not. From this weeks homestand, you would be forced to say the Nuggets have a chance. But you can not yet forget about all the collapses, turnovers, lazy defense, and 1-7 and worse shooting nights. Oh well, that's why they play the games.
Melo and Camby combined for 5 of the Nuggets 12 steals. Nene had 10 rebounds and Camby and Melo had 8 each as the Nuggets outrebounded the Suns 47-38. Iverson and Blake had 10 rebounds, and you know it has been a heck of a night on the boards when your starting guards get 10 rebounds. Although Blake does not have a great shooting touch, at least he, like Najera, picked up on the explosive atmosphere and did what he usually does, only faster and better; Blake had 8 assists. And there is no one better in the NBA than Marcus Camby in rejecting a layup or a dunk without fouling, and he had 4 blocks in this game, while committing just 1 foul. It is impossible to overstate how great Camby is these days at defending right at the hoop.
Leandro Barbosa from Brazil, who backs up Raja Bell at SG, led the Suns with 22 points on 10/19 shooting. The great Suns center, Amare Stoudemire, was held to 13 points on 4/10 shooting, and the great Suns small forward, Shawn Marion, was held to 12 points on 5/11 shooting.
Alright, Coach, you can calm down and come out from under your seat now. The coast is clear and the odds are back in your favor for coming back next year. And you may get away with your total benching of Evans, Johnson, and Diawara. Apparently, your Under Achievers were just foolin' during all those losses, they were just playing alot of pranks, and they actually are pretty good. The Nuggets have a strange sense of humor, I'll tell you that.
Reggie Evans played for 12 minutes and he was 2/3 for 4 points, and he had 4 rebounds and a steal. Najera played 16 minutes and was 3/5 and 2/2 from the line for 8 points, and he added 3 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block. Kleiza played 19 minutes and was 1/4, 1/2 on 3's, and 2/2 from the line for 5 points, and he had 3 rebounds, an assist, and a steal.
Blake played 38 minutes and was 2/6, 1/1 on 3's, and 0/1 from the line for 5 points, and he had 8 assists and 5 rebounds.
Nene played 17 minutes and was 5/7 and 4/6 from the line for 14 points, and he added 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal.
Marcus Camby played for 28 minutes and was 5/7 and 2/2 from the line for 12 points, and he also had 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 assists, and 2 steals.
Melo played for 32 minutes and was 13/20 and 3/4 from the line for 29 points, and he had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 steals.
A.I. played for virtually the entire game and was 16/22, 2/3 on 3's, and 10/12 from the line for 44 points, and he also had 15 assists, 5 rebounds, and a block.
The next game will be Tuesday, March 20 in New Jersey to play the Nets at 5 pm mountain time.
I'll say A.I. likes to play. In a throwback to the storybook land of his early years with the Sixers, A.I. exploded for 44 points on incredible 16/22 shooting. He made 10/15 jumpers overall, and 2/3 from beyond the arc. He had 15 assists of the Nuggets amazing 35, and drew numerous fouls, including one from Nash from beyond the arc, and yes, he made all three free throws from that. A.I. was even more everywhere than usual, and with relentless sunk jumpers, aggressive drives to and all around the hoop, virtually no turnovers, and pesky defense, drove Steve Nash and Raja Bell in particular up the wall. PG Nash, the official spokesman of the Suns, had to publicly admit that there was no way the Suns could possibly have beaten the Nuggets in this game. Raja Bell was rattled, mostly by A.I., into a 5/17 shooting night and a technical.
So led by Iverson, and backed up by immense talent and a will to win that must have been off the scale, the Denver Under Achievers buried the Phoenix Suns in one of the most impressive offensive displays of basketball in Denver since ABA days. I say the Nuggets are the Under Achievers because they exposed themselves that way in this game, their first total blowout of the season. Any team that can shoot .573 and hold the Suns to .444 had no business blowing ten 4th quarter leads this season, and they had no business losing 17 of 36 games at home. Instead of achieving what they could have had they done more playing and less assuming, the Nuggets have made life difficult for their coach and their fans. They have confused the heck out of numerous basketball observers, by frequently playing loose and sloppy, lazy and foolish, and then saying to the world "We were just foolin you guys", by proceeding to beat the bejesus out of the Lakers and the Suns this week.
True, A.I. and Melo were a combined 29/42 for 73 points, which is going to be rare, but Camby was 4/6 on the jump shots he insists on making, and Nene, who is most likely never going to be a good jump shooter, was 5/7 with no jumpers attempted. Even Najera joined the festivities by exploading for 8 points on 3/5 points. (For Najera, that was exploding.) It can only be on a major occasion, like a big holiday, that Najera puts up 5 shots. So here you had almost the entire front court of the Nuggets playing both smart and well, something which seemed about as likely as the Syracuse Orangemen winning the March Madness tournament this year. In pro ball, March Madness was definitely in Denver this week.
The Suns met their much less polished cousins in the run and gun style of basketball, and they were shocked at the intermission that these upstarts from the wrong side of the tracks had scored 70 on them in the half, for a 70-44 lead. The Nuggets shot 68 percent in the first half and the Suns shot just 33 percent. "Why the rudeness of it, just who do these poor kin think they are?" the Suns must have exclaimed at the half. "How can they be killing us, no respectable basketball analyst thinks the Nuggets have a chance to beat us, the Mavs, or the Spurs in the first round of the playoffs?" Maybe so, Stoudemire, Marion, and Nash, but non-establishment analysts still think it is possible, so don't count your chickens just yet.
The Nuggets had two 1-2 punches offensively in this game, with A.I. and Melo providing the big uppercuts and Nene and Camby applying the jabs to cause the Suns to get dizzy and lose their composure in the 1st half. How could the Nuggets not beat the Mavs, the Spurs, or the Suns if they had all of this action going? The Nuggets win any game where Camby hits his jumpers, Nene sticks with layups and dunks, and either A.I. or Melo explode while the other one gets 25 or more. And Kleiza or J.R. Smith stand ready to assist when that forumula is not working quite right, which will be almost always.
George "Scrooge" Karl recently started to worry about his future in Denver, and so he resolved in fear to play just 7 men until J.R. Smith returned, as few as a coach can play without being labelled insane. At one point, intense Nuggets fans including me started to worry that Karl was starting to become delusional. As long as Kleiza doesn't go back to 1-7 games, and as long as J.R. eases back into the flow for the umpteenth time, Karl can feel secure with an 8-man rotation, at least until any one of the 8 gets injured. If there is an injury, Karl's gamble is lost and the Nuggets are in big trouble again. On the other hand, if these eight, who clearly have the skills to go the distance, stay healthy and truly have the heart and desire to go the distance, and not be the Under Achievers any more, then Avery Johnson or Greg Popovich may have these same upstarts from the wrong side of the tracks, and the short end of the popularity contests, come calling when it is Western Conference finals time.
I have gone back and forth on the question of whether it is possible for the Nuggets to upset one of the big teams of the West in the playoffs. I had just gotten totally comfortable with the idea that the Nuggets could not possibly win a playoff series and now this game comes along to mess up the calculations. Now I am back again to simply not knowing whether the Nuggets have a chance or not. From this weeks homestand, you would be forced to say the Nuggets have a chance. But you can not yet forget about all the collapses, turnovers, lazy defense, and 1-7 and worse shooting nights. Oh well, that's why they play the games.
Melo and Camby combined for 5 of the Nuggets 12 steals. Nene had 10 rebounds and Camby and Melo had 8 each as the Nuggets outrebounded the Suns 47-38. Iverson and Blake had 10 rebounds, and you know it has been a heck of a night on the boards when your starting guards get 10 rebounds. Although Blake does not have a great shooting touch, at least he, like Najera, picked up on the explosive atmosphere and did what he usually does, only faster and better; Blake had 8 assists. And there is no one better in the NBA than Marcus Camby in rejecting a layup or a dunk without fouling, and he had 4 blocks in this game, while committing just 1 foul. It is impossible to overstate how great Camby is these days at defending right at the hoop.
Leandro Barbosa from Brazil, who backs up Raja Bell at SG, led the Suns with 22 points on 10/19 shooting. The great Suns center, Amare Stoudemire, was held to 13 points on 4/10 shooting, and the great Suns small forward, Shawn Marion, was held to 12 points on 5/11 shooting.
Alright, Coach, you can calm down and come out from under your seat now. The coast is clear and the odds are back in your favor for coming back next year. And you may get away with your total benching of Evans, Johnson, and Diawara. Apparently, your Under Achievers were just foolin' during all those losses, they were just playing alot of pranks, and they actually are pretty good. The Nuggets have a strange sense of humor, I'll tell you that.
Reggie Evans played for 12 minutes and he was 2/3 for 4 points, and he had 4 rebounds and a steal. Najera played 16 minutes and was 3/5 and 2/2 from the line for 8 points, and he added 3 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block. Kleiza played 19 minutes and was 1/4, 1/2 on 3's, and 2/2 from the line for 5 points, and he had 3 rebounds, an assist, and a steal.
Blake played 38 minutes and was 2/6, 1/1 on 3's, and 0/1 from the line for 5 points, and he had 8 assists and 5 rebounds.
Nene played 17 minutes and was 5/7 and 4/6 from the line for 14 points, and he added 10 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal.
Marcus Camby played for 28 minutes and was 5/7 and 2/2 from the line for 12 points, and he also had 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 assists, and 2 steals.
Melo played for 32 minutes and was 13/20 and 3/4 from the line for 29 points, and he had 8 rebounds, 3 assists, and 3 steals.
A.I. played for virtually the entire game and was 16/22, 2/3 on 3's, and 10/12 from the line for 44 points, and he also had 15 assists, 5 rebounds, and a block.
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WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.
2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.
The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.
Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.
THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.
One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.
THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.
2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.
The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.
Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.
THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.
One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.
THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.
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Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.
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