The Quest For the Ring: 2010-08-22

Saturday, August 28, 2010

All About the Basketball Hall of Fame and Why Allen Iverson Must Stay out of the Hood and Out of Trouble

We cap off “History Week” at Quest for the Ring (QFTR) with a Report on the Basketball Hall of Fame and just how difficult it is to get that ultimate recognition. Plus this one will remind readers that QFTR is obsessed with how many times that Allen Iverson has ended up with the short end of the stick in the media and also on the court despite the fact that he made many millions of dollars for many people as an historic, superstar guard and as a cultural icon. Specifically, QFTR is obsessed with whether and when Iverson will be admitted into the Hall of Fame.

QFTR is normally not all that interested in the Basketball Hall of Fame itself. For one thing, it is just one award of many that superstar and star basketball players can win. MVP is considered to be an equal award. QFTR is most interested, of course, in who wins Rings and why and who does not and why.

But there is one player who just retired who, if he were never admitted, would create a big problem, It would be fairly shocking and would in fact be a major scandal. Of course we are talking about Allen Iverson. There is a slight chance that Iverson will in fact be snubbed (never admitted). If so, it would not only be a scandal but it would prove that the committees that determine who is admitted are more focused on styles, personalities, and possibly even politics and less focused on basketball itself than we thought.

Due to this Iverson Hall of Fame question, which will be hanging out there uncertainly for a decade and probably more, we thought we would scope out the “Hall of Fame thing” carefully and in some detail with the assistance of the new Recognition Scores Report.

The new Recognition Scores just published two days ago here at QFTR can be used to some extent to correctly predict who will eventually be admitted into the Basketball Hall of Fame. As a very rough rule of thumb, players whose Recognition Scores are ten or more are extremely likely to eventually be admitted to the Hall of Fame. The odds for them approach 100%.

There has never been a player with a Score of ten or more who has not and clearly will never be admitted. If Iverson were not admitted, he would most likely be the first player ever with a very high Recognition Score who is not admitted.

I think the window in effect right now during which retired superstar players can be admitted runs from roughly five years after retirement to roughly 25 years after retirement, a 20 year period. If a former superstar becomes a manager or especially if he becomes a coach after he retires as a player, the 20 year clock may stop running, especially if the former player involved is not considered to be one who will inevitably be admitted sooner or later. In other words, it is possible that a superstar who would have been admitted had he never become a coach (had he immediately retired from basketball completely) is never admitted if for example he becomes an obscure coach and/or a coach who doesn’t do very well at coaching.

That means no coaching for you, Allen Iverson. But we didn’t have to worry about that, did we, given your views on practice, laugh out loud.

Personalities and styles are factors in how long it takes former superstar players to be admitted to the Hall of Fame and possibly, in certain cases, whether certain superstar players are ever admitted. This is so despite the fact that personalities and styles have little to do with what players did on the court.

The less smooth a superstar player's personality is, the longer that player has to wait to be admitted. The more a player is regarded as a “good citizen,” with a good personality, the less the former superstar player has to wait to be admitted.

Similarly, the more a player’s style “rubs many people the wrong way,” the longer the wait will be, and the greater the chance the former superstar player is snubbed by the Hall of Fame committees. The more a former superstar’s player’s style was a “crowd pleaser,” the quicker he will be admitted.

RETIRED SUPERSTARS IN THE LONG WAIT FOR THE HALL OF FAME TO LET THEM IN
Here is a list of retired players with Recognition scores greater than eight who have not yet been admitted to the Hall of Fame.

Gary Payton 17.35
Dennis Rodman 17.00
Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
Michael Cooper 13.20
Sidney Moncrief 11.85
Allen Iverson 10.90
Alonzo Mourning 9.55
Bruce Bowen 8.80
Mark Eaton 8.40

What about the long term prospects of these nine former players? Let’s start with the obvious: there is a 100% chance that Mutombo will be admitted.

Mutombo, Iverson, and Bowen are apparently newly retired as of the end of the 2009-10 season. It is far, far too early to be thinking about them soon going into the Hall of Fame. Since the committees that accept players into the Hall of Fame take their sweet time measured in years, newly retired players have to wait roughly five years at the very least before they are admitted even if it is inevitable that they will eventually be admitted. Michael Jordan, most likely the best basketball player of the modern era, was admitted just about as quickly as possible yet he was not admitted until six years after he retired as a NBA player.

I think there is roughly an 85% chance that Iverson will eventually be admitted. I used to think there was about a 95% chance that Iverson will be admitted, but that was before I found out very recently that it is even a little harder than I thought to get into the Hall of Fame. I still think that Iverson will eventually be admitted but it is most likely going to be many years before he is (ten, twenty, even thirty years). In the past even more so than today there were many players not admitted until they were in their 50’s or 60's or even older than that.

Gary Payton just retired about three years ago so it is still way too early for him to be admitted. Dennis Rodman retired about ten years ago so it is still early in the 5-25 years after retirement window for him to be admitted. Based on their extremely high recognition scores, you would have to say that both of these extremely recognized players are going to be admitted when the committees are good and ready to let them in.

Gary Payton is definitely eventually going to be admitted; although his personality and style are not the smoothest and most crowd pleasing ones ever, his sky high recognition score trumps that and ensures his admission.

But Dennis Rodmans' personality and style are roughly as "controversial" as Iversons' among the foolish people who think these things are important. Therefore we think that Rodman will have to wait an extra 5, 10 or even 20 years (on top of the standard 5 year wait) before he is admitted. Specifically, Rodman's window runs from roughly 2010 to 2025. Iversons' window runs 10 years later, from 2020 to 2035, mostly because he retired 10 years later.

But do we know absolutely for certain that Rodman will be admitted? No, we don't! If Rodman were snubbed, it would drastically increase the odds that Iverson would be snubbed by and never admitted to the Hall of Fame. In fact, if Rodman is never admitted, it will make it very likely that Iverson will never be admitted either. After all, Iverson's Recognition Score is substantially lower than Rodman's. Hopefully, it is going overboard to think that either Rodman or Iverson, because of their personalities and styles, will suffer anythink other than a long, long wait.

Michael Cooper and Sidney Moncrief are two players with Recognition Scores of 13.20 and 11.85 respectively but they have not yet been admitted even though it has been about twenty years since both of them played.

Michael Cooper retired 20 years ago as a NBA player but then he became a coach. For former superstars not considered to be automatic Hall of Famers, the window often (but not always) runs from when the superstar retires from basketball as a whole, so Cooper’s window has probably not even started yet. But incidentally, when someone retires from basketball entirely at an advanced age, the window is shorter and starts a year or two sooner than the usual five years after retirement. Because the committees want to get as many as possible into the Hall of Fame before they pass away rather than after. (At least there is one thing they speed things up for.) So Cooper can expect to be admitted between roughly three and twelve years after he completely retires from basketball.

Similarly, Sidney Moncrief retired as a NBA player almost twenty years ago but he is still working in basketball. In 2006, Moncrief returned to basketball as the head coach of the Fort Worth Flyers, a professional basketball team in the NBA D-League. He rejoined the NBA in October 2007 when he became the shooting coach for the Golden State Warriors. The odds are that when Moncrief completely retires from basketball, his window for being admitted to the Hall of Fame will start and that he will be admitted between about three and twelve years after that final retirement.

However, if either Cooper or Moncrief are never admitted, it would substantially increase the odds that Iverson will never be admitted, because they have similar Recognition Scores to Iverson (slightly higher, in fact). Therefore, Cooper and Moncrief have to be admitted for anyone worrying about Iverson to be able to have full confidence that Iverson will be admitted.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible that Iverson could be admitted even if one or both of Cooper and Moncrief are not admitted. After all, Cooper and Moncriefs' Recognition scores are only slightly higher than Iversons' and, also after all, the selection process is not entirely scientific or predictible.

Alonzo Mourning just retired two years ago so it is way too early for him to be admitted. I am thinking there is a 100% chance he will be admitted because his Recognition Score is just about 10 and I do believe his personality is considered a very good one by many people.

You know I cringe when I write that because personalities should not be significant factors but I know that they are factors, not only for the Hall of Fame but even for playing time on certain NBA teams. Yes, that would include you, Denver.

I think that defensive specialist Bruce Bowen is definitely going to be admitted. Such specialists appear to have a slightly easier time getting admitted to the Hall of Fame, which gets me just a little bit worried about Iverson again, because Iverson was definitely not a defensive specialist.

Finally, Mark Eaton retired about seventeen years ago and so it is starting to get to the later part of the window where he is most likely to be admitted. But there is still at least eight years left in Eaton’s window. In this case the committees are probably showing just how slow they can be in the case of a “less inevitable admission,” or in other words a more marginal admission.

JUST HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR IVERSON TO BE ADMITTED TO THE HALL OF FAME?
I am thinking the committees will string Iverson along not so much because he is not considered to be inevitable but rather because of the personality and also the style stuff. The fact that Iverson was moved to the wrong position (from point guard to shooting guard) which backfired and made a style issue worse rather than better, will probably cost Iverson another year or two or three of waiting on top of an already long wait due to his strong and colorful personality. My bottom line is that I think it will be ten to twenty years before Iverson is admitted to the Basketball Hall of Fame. He will very probably be admitted sometime between 2020 and 2030.

However, if Iverson unexpectedly gets into legal trouble again then all bets are off. He had better stay out the hood. Invite the hood homies out the suburbs, Allen!

(Given these gargantuan time lines I had at least five years to get this Report out but I decided to make my deadline by a record margin, laugh out loud.)

CURRENT PLAYERS EXTREMELY LIKELY TO EVENTUALLY BE IN THE HALL OF FAME
This would be current players who have Recognition Scores of ten or more:

Tim Duncan 33.30
Kobe Bryant 26.10
Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
Kevin Garnett 21.25
Ben Wallace 18.45
LeBron James 15.25
Jason Kidd 14.10
Steve Nash 11.50
Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
Dwight Howard 10.90

Iverson’s score is 10.90 for comparison.

In general the odds that a former superstar basketball player will get into the Hall of Fame are in the vicinity of 100% when his Recognition Score is ten or more. But again, those with controversial personalities and styles need higher scores to absolutely guarantee admission. An absolute guarantee for a superstar widely claimed to have a "bad personality" and/or a "bad style" would require a Recognition Score of fifteen or even twenty. Unfortunately (and to me this is a scandal) Iversons' score does not absolutely guarantee he will be admitted.

Moreover, if a former superstar were to commit a crime and/or be involved in a major media scandal after he retires and before he is admitted, it could conceivably ruin his chances regardless of Recognition Score.

Those with scores between eight and ten are not almost automatic but are very, very likely to eventually be Hall of Famers. Right now, all of the players in this range are retired and we just discussed them above.

As a rough approximation, if you multiply the Recognition score by ten, you have a rough approximation of the odds that the player will eventually be in the Hall of Fame. For example, if a player has a score of 5, the odds are roughly 50% that he will eventually be admitted into the Hall of Fame.

Out of the 39 former superstar NBA players in the Hall of Fame, sixteen have Recognition Scores between three and five. However, it will be more difficult to get into the Hall of Fame with a score in this range in the future because there are more available awards now than there were back in the 1980’s and 1970’s. Also, the Hall of Fame committees seem intent on arbitrarily limiting the number of players who can be admitted each year despite the fact that there are more NBA teams and more superstars now than there were back when they determined this arbitrary limit.

No player has ever reached the Hall of Fame with a Recognition Score less than three and almost certainly none ever will.

Now that you know exactly how to do it, see the Report “Most Recognized High Impact Pro Basketball Players 1980-2010” to find out the Hall of Fame chances for various NBA superstars.

SHAME ON THE AMATEUR PERSONALITY, CULTURE, AND STYLE JUDGES
To close this out let’s face the truth: having a strong personality, having strong beliefs, being a member of a racial minority, being a member of a cultural minority, having an unusual style that for one obscure reason or another fails to please the crowd, and things such as these, are often held against you (often secretly of course) in American society. Resulting damage to both society and those being discriminated against varies radically from one case to another.

Shame on everyone who discriminates based on personality, race, culture, style, things of this nature. One of the main reasons I do sports instead of politics or something like that is because all sports are supposed to be free of these kinds of discriminations. But sports including basketball are not completely free of these biases. Evaluate basketball players on basketball and leave all the other extraneous stuff out of it or shame on you.

Friday, August 27, 2010

Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

Thursday, August 26, 2010

Most Recognized High Impact Pro Basketball Players 1980-2010

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010
This brand new Report shows you every player who won a significant award and, using a carefully calibrated scale, ranks all the players who won one or more awards according to the relative value of all the awards and recognitions they won.

Scientifically speaking and in terms of who is going to win Championships and Rings, Real Player Ratings are more important than all of these recognitions combined. But this Report is what you need to keep up with the day to day and year to year media and popularity world that determines who the most famous pro basketball players are.

Basically, this Report combines all the media recognitions given to basketball players and computes an overall combined score that we call the "Recognition Score".

Fortunately, for the superstar basketball players there is a fairly good correlation between Real Player Ratings and Recognition Scores. Among mere stars the correlation is weaker. There are some players who were (or are) actually star pro basketball players, as could be shown by Real Player Ratings, but who have been very seldom and possibly never recognized with any of the awards.

The recognitions (awards) are defined and factored as follows:

RECOGNITION SCORE FACTORS
Hall of Fame 3.00
Most Valuable Player 3.00
Defensive Player of the Year 2.40
Rookie of the Year 1.75
Championship Rings 1.00
All NBA First Team 1.00
All NBA Defensive First Team 0.80
All NBA Second Team 0.75
All NBA Defensive Second Team 0.60
All NBA Rookie Team 0.40

The recognition weights are determined according to the following two considerations:

(1) How many have won the award or recognition. The fewer there are, the more difficult it is to win it, and the higher the factor. This is the primary item that determines how much the factor will be.

And (2) How valid is the award or recognition scientifically.

For example, the All NBA Teams are not a highly valid or scientific recognition. They are determined by votes of individuals who in most cases use their beliefs rather than any valid rating system such as Real Player Rating or the more well known but more complex Hollinger Player Efficiency Rating System at ESPN.

Specifically, the voting is conducted by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Just like coaches sometimes do, sportswriters can and will sometimes make the mistake of bringing in player styles and personalities to their voting decisions, which will often lead to distortion of the ratings. This is because it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that “how good” a player really is is a result of many things, of which style and personality are just two relatively minor ones. But what some misguided coaches and others do is get fixated (or hung up) on the styles and personalities themselves, and so they end up rating styles and personalities rather than basketball capabilities of players.

Therefore, the All NBA Teams recognitions are rated somewhat lower than they would be if it was a more scientific thing. If the All NBA Teams were chosen validly, the weights given to them would be as much as double what they are.

If in other words for example the First All NBA Team really was for sure the best five players in the NBA, you could justify using a factor for that twice as much as the factor for winning a Championship. After all, on a Championship starting team, you don't have the five best players in the NBA, but rather you have five of the better players, with perhaps one or two players on the Championship team among the top five players in the NBA. So if it were valid the All NBA First Team could be factored as twice as valuable. On the other hand, winning a Championship is very hard often difficult work, so we would never rate the All NBA First Team as worth more than twice what a Championship is worth even if the First Team was validly selected. In other words, we would never downplay how much hard work it is to win a Championship relative to how good a player is in the abstract.

But again, since the selection is not scientifically valid, we factor the All NBA First Team recognition as just the same as for winning a Championship (both are given a factor of 1.0).

EXAMPLE
How are Recognition Scores calculated? For example, if a player was on the All NBA Defensive First Team once, was Rookie of the Year once, and was Most Valuable Player twice, his recognition score would be (.80 X 1) + (1.75 X 1) + (3 X 2) = 8.55.

Note that for Championship Rings, only players who played 1,200 minutes or more in the year when their team won the Championship are included. We debated whether to use the 300 minutes threshold or the 1,200 minutes one, but decided to go with the 1,200 minutes one since players who played between 300 and 1,199 minutes played only a marginal role. However, this was a tough, close call and we might possibly change this for next year.

An interesting question is: what percentage of NBA players get recognized at least once? The answer is that roughly 15% (between 14% and 16%) get recognized at least one time during their careers. Roughly 85% never get recognized in any of the ten ways shown above.

Now its finally time for the breakdown of the most recognized pro basketball players from the last 31 years. There are two slightly different listings. The first one shows players ranked by their Recognition Scores.

The second listing down below will show players who have been recognized at least one time alphabetically (by first name).

========== MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010 ==========
--Ranked by Recognition Scores
--Ten recognitions are considered; for details see the explanation above
--Championship rings are counted only for players who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season their teams won
--The format for each entry is Rank / Player / Recognition Score

1 Michael Jordan 46.50
2 Tim Duncan 33.30
3 Hakeem Olajuwon 29.35
4 Larry Bird 27.70
5 Magic Johnson 26.15
6 Kobe Bryant 26.10
7 David Robinson 25.65
8 Karl Malone 25.40
9 Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
10 Scottie Pippen 22.10
11 Kevin Garnett 21.25
12 Ben Wallace 18.45
13 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 17.70
14 Gary Payton 17.35
15 Dennis Rodman 17.00
16 Moses Malone 16.05
17 Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
18 Charles Barkley 15.65
19 LeBron James 15.25
20 Jason Kidd 14.10
21 John Stockton 14.00
22 Michael Cooper 13.20
23 Dennis Johnson 12.55
24 Patrick Ewing 12.45
25 Sidney Moncrief 11.85
26 Kevin McHale 11.60
27 Steve Nash 11.50
28 Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
29 Julius Erving 11.00
30 Joe Dumars 10.95
31 Allen Iverson 10.90
32 Dwight Howard 10.90
33 Alonzo Mourning 9.55
34 Isiah Thomas 8.90
35 Bruce Bowen 8.80
36 Dominique Wilkins 8.40
37 Mark Eaton 8.40
38 Clyde Drexler 7.50
39 James Worthy 7.40
40 Robert Parish 7.25
41 Dwyane Wade 7.20
42 Alvin Robertson 7.15
43 George Gervin 6.75
44 Ron Artest 6.70
45 Horace Grant 6.40
46 Grant Hill 6.15
47 Robert Horry 6.00
48 Chris Webber 5.90
49 Buck Williams 5.70
50 Marcus Camby 5.60
51 Bobby Jones 5.60
52 Amare Stoudemire 5.40
53 Mitch Richmond 5.40
54 Chris Paul 5.30
55 Alex English 5.25
56 Tracy McGrady 5.25
57 Pau Gasol 5.15
58 Maurice Cheeks 4.80
59 Adrian Dantley 4.75
60 Ron Harper 4.40
61 Dan Roundfield 4.35
62 Tim Hardaway 4.15
63 Bill Walton 4.00
64 Bob McAdoo 4.00
65 Derek Fisher 4.00
66 Mookie Blaylock 4.00
67 Chauncey Billups 3.95
68 Tony Parker 3.90
69 Nate Archibald 3.75
70 Paul Pierce 3.65
71 A. C. Green 3.60
72 Dave Cowens 3.60
73 Drazen Petrovic 3.50
74 Kevin Johnson 3.50
75 Manu Ginobili 3.50
76 Bill Cartwright 3.40
77 Byron Scott 3.40
78 Tayshaun Prince 3.40
79 Terry Cummings 3.40
80 Vince Carter 3.40
81 Yao Ming 3.40
82 Derrick Coleman 3.15
83 Kevin Durant 3.15
84 B.J. Armstrong 3.00
85 Bob Lanier 3.00
86 Brandon Roy 3.00
87 Calvin J. Murphy 3.00
88 Chris Mullin 3.00
89 Dan Issel 3.00
90 David Thompson 3.00
91 Earl Monroe 3.00
92 Elvin E. Hayes 3.00
93 Luc Longley 3.00
94 Mario Elie 3.00
95 Pete Maravich 3.00
96 Rick Barry 3.00
97 Rick Fox 3.00
98 Toni Kukoc 3.00
99 Walt Frazier 3.00
100 Wes Unseld 3.00
101 Anfernee Hardaway 2.90
102 Elton Brand 2.90
103 Larry Johnson 2.90
104 Ralph Sampson 2.90
105 Quinn Buckner 2.80
106 Eddie Jones 2.70
107 Carmelo Anthony 2.65
108 Doug Christie 2.60
109 Mark Price 2.50
110 Andrei Kirilenko 2.40
111 Kenny Smith 2.40
112 Lamar Odom 2.40
113 Rajon Rondo 2.40
114 Bernard King 2.25
115 Glen Rice 2.25
116 Ray Allen 2.25
117 Shawn Kemp 2.25
118 Paul Pressey 2.20
119 Chuck Person 2.15
120 Damon Stoudamire 2.15
121 Darrell Griffith 2.15
122 Derrick Rose 2.15
123 Emeka Okafor 2.15
124 Mark Jackson 2.15
125 Mike Miller 2.15
126 Steve Francis 2.15
127 Tyreke Evans 2.15
128 Andrew Bynum 2.00
129 Bill Laimbeer 2.00
130 Brent Barry 2.00
131 Brian Shaw 2.00
132 Carl Herrera 2.00
133 Cedric Maxwell 2.00
134 Gerald Henderson 2.00
135 Jamaal Wilkes 2.00
136 James Edwards 2.00
137 James Posey 2.00
138 John Paxson 2.00
139 John Salley 2.00
140 Kurt Rambis 2.00
141 Larry Nance 2.00
142 Norm Nixon 2.00
143 Steve Kerr 2.00
144 Vernon Maxwell 2.00
145 Vinnie Johnson 2.00
146 Deron Williams 1.90
147 Charles Oakley 1.80
148 P.J. Brown 1.80
149 T. R. Dunn 1.80
150 Gilbert Arenas 1.75
151 Gus Williams 1.75
152 Jermaine O'Neal 1.75
153 Sam Cassell 1.75
154 Vin Baker 1.65
155 Caldwell Jones 1.60
156 Derrick McKey 1.60
157 Latrell Sprewell 1.60
158 Micheal Ray Richardson 1.60
159 Rick Mahorn 1.60
160 Scott Wedman 1.60
161 Shane Battier 1.60
162 Marques Johnson 1.50
163 Reggie Miller 1.50
164 Tom Chambers 1.50
165 Antoine Walker 1.40
166 Isaiah Rider 1.40
167 Jason Williams 1.40
168 Michael Finley 1.40
169 Raja Bell 1.40
170 Rodney McCray 1.40
171 Stephon Marbury 1.40
172 Wayne Rollins 1.40
173 Lafayette Lever 1.35
174 Clifford Robinson 1.20
175 Dan Majerle 1.20
176 Derek Harper 1.20
177 Kermit Washington 1.20
178 Nate McMillan 1.20
179 Theo Ratliff 1.20
180 Chris Bosh 1.15
181 Anthony Mason 1.10
182 Andrew Toney 1.00
183 Avery Johnson 1.00
184 Chris Ford 1.00
185 Clint Richardson 1.00
186 Corliss Williamson 1.00
187 Danny Ainge 1.00
188 Devean George 1.00
189 Devin Brown 1.00
190 Eddie House 1.00
191 Fabricio Oberto 1.00
192 Francisco Elson 1.00
193 Franklin Edwards 1.00
194 Jason Caffey 1.00
195 Jerry Sichting 1.00
196 Jim Chones 1.00
197 Jordan Farmar 1.00
198 Kendrick Perkins 1.00
199 Kirk Hinrich 1.00
200 Larry Spriggs 1.00
201 Lindsey Hunter 1.00
202 Malik Rose 1.00
203 Marc Iavaroni 1.00
204 Mark Aguirre 1.00
205 Mehmet Okur 1.00
206 Mychal Thompson 1.00
207 Otis Thorpe 1.00
208 Paul Westphal 1.00
209 Pete Chilcutt 1.00
210 Rasho Nesterovic 1.00
211 Richard Hamilton 1.00
212 Rick Robey 1.00
213 Samaki Walker 1.00
214 Sasha Vujacic 1.00
215 Scott Brooks 1.00
216 Scott Williams 1.00
217 Sean Elliott 1.00
218 Shannon Brown 1.00
219 Shawn Marion 1.00
220 Spencer Haywood 1.00
221 Stacey King 1.00
222 Stephen Jackson 1.00
223 Tiny Archibald 1.00
224 Tony Allen 1.00
225 Trevor Ariza 1.00
226 Udonis Haslem 1.00
227 Andrew Bogut 0.90
228 Antonio McDyess 0.90
229 Brad Daugherty 0.90
230 Jamal Mashburn 0.90
231 Don Buse 0.80
232 Gerald Wallace 0.80
233 Larry Hughes 0.80
234 Otis Birdsong 0.75
235 Peja Stojakovic 0.75
236 Rod Strickland 0.75
237 Anderson Varejao 0.60
238 Bill Hanzlik 0.60
239 Bobby Phills 0.60
240 Danny Vranes 0.60
241 Dudley Bradley 0.60
242 Eddie Johnson 0.60
243 Eric Snow 0.60
244 George Johnson 0.60
245 Jack Sikma 0.60
246 John Starks 0.60
247 Josh Smith 0.60
248 Lonnie Shelton 0.60
249 Manute Bol 0.60
250 Micheal Williams 0.60
251 Thabo Sefolosha 0.60
252 Baron Davis 0.50
253 Carlos Boozer 0.50
254 Dale Ellis 0.50
255 Detlef Schrempf 0.50
256 Joe Johnson 0.50
257 Juwan Howard 0.50
258 Kevin Willis 0.50
259 Michael Redd 0.50
260 Al Horford 0.40
261 Al Thornton 0.40
262 Andre Iguodala 0.40
263 Andre Miller 0.40
264 Andrea Bargnani 0.40
265 Armon Gilliam 0.40
266 Arvydas Sabonis 0.40
267 Ben Gordon 0.40
268 Billy Owens 0.40
269 Brandon Jennings 0.40
270 Brevin Knight 0.40
271 Brian Grant 0.40
272 Brook Lopez 0.40
273 Calvin Natt 0.40
274 Caron Butler 0.40
275 Channing Frye 0.40
276 Charles Smith 0.40
277 Charlie Villanueva 0.40
278 Christian Laettner 0.40
279 Clark Kellogg 0.40
280 Darius Miles 0.40
281 Darrell Walker 0.40
282 Darren Collison 0.40
283 David Greenwood 0.40
284 Dee Brown 0.40
285 Dennis Scott 0.40
286 Drew Gooden 0.40
287 Glenn Robinson 0.40
288 Greg Anderson 0.40
289 Hersey Hawkins 0.40
290 Jason Richardson 0.40
291 Jay Vincent 0.40
292 Jeff Green 0.40
293 Jeff Malone 0.40
294 Jeff Ruland 0.40
295 Jerry Stackhouse 0.40
296 Joe Barry Carroll 0.40
297 Joe Smith 0.40
298 John Williams 0.40
299 Jorge Garbajosa 0.40
300 Keith Van Horn 0.40
301 Kelly Tripucka 0.40
302 Kelvin Ransey 0.40
303 Kendall Gill 0.40
304 Kenyon Martin 0.40
305 LaMarcus Aldridge 0.40
306 LaPhonso Ellis 0.40
307 Larry Smith 0.40
308 Lionel Simmons 0.40
309 Luis Scola 0.40
310 Luol Deng 0.40
311 Marc Jackson 0.40
312 Matt Harpring 0.40
313 Michael Beasley 0.40
314 Mike Bibby 0.40
315 Morris Peterson 0.40
316 Nene Hilario 0.40
317 O.J. Mayo 0.40
318 Pooh Richardson 0.40
319 Quintin Dailey 0.40
320 Randy Foye 0.40
321 Rik Smits 0.40
322 Ron Mercer 0.40
323 Roy Tarpley 0.40
324 Rudy Gay 0.40
325 Russell Westbrook 0.40
326 Sam Bowie 0.40
327 Sam Perkins 0.40
328 Shareef Abdur-Rahim 0.40
329 Sherman Douglas 0.40
330 Stacey Augmon 0.40
331 Stephen Curry 0.40
332 Steve Smith 0.40
333 Steve Stipanovich 0.40
334 Taj Gibson 0.40
335 Thurl Bailey 0.40
336 Tom Gugliotta 0.40
337 Vlade Divac 0.40
338 Wally Szczerbiak 0.40
339 Willie Anderson 0.40
340 Xavier McDaniel 0.40
341 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 0.40

========== MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010 ==========
--Shown Alphabetically
--Ten recognitions are considered; for details see the explanation above
--Championship rings are counted only for players who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season their teams won
--The format for each line is Player / Recognition Score

A. C. Green 3.60
Adrian Dantley 4.75
Al Horford 0.40
Al Thornton 0.40
Alex English 5.25
Allen Iverson 10.90
Alonzo Mourning 9.55
Alvin Robertson 7.15
Amare Stoudemire 5.40
Anderson Varejao 0.60
Andre Iguodala 0.40
Andre Miller 0.40
Andrea Bargnani 0.40
Andrei Kirilenko 2.40
Andrew Bogut 0.90
Andrew Bynum 2.00
Andrew Toney 1.00
Anfernee Hardaway 2.90
Anthony Mason 1.10
Antoine Walker 1.40
Antonio McDyess 0.90
Armon Gilliam 0.40
Arvydas Sabonis 0.40
Avery Johnson 1.00
B.J. Armstrong 3.00
Baron Davis 0.50
Ben Gordon 0.40
Ben Wallace 18.45
Bernard King 2.25
Bill Cartwright 3.40
Bill Hanzlik 0.60
Bill Laimbeer 2.00
Bill Walton 4.00
Billy Owens 0.40
Bob Lanier 3.00
Bob McAdoo 4.00
Bobby Jones 5.60
Bobby Phills 0.60
Brad Daugherty 0.90
Brandon Jennings 0.40
Brandon Roy 3.00
Brent Barry 2.00
Brevin Knight 0.40
Brian Grant 0.40
Brian Shaw 2.00
Brook Lopez 0.40
Bruce Bowen 8.80
Buck Williams 5.70
Byron Scott 3.40
Caldwell Jones 1.60
Calvin J. Murphy 3.00
Calvin Natt 0.40
Carl Herrera 2.00
Carlos Boozer 0.50
Carmelo Anthony 2.65
Caron Butler 0.40
Cedric Maxwell 2.00
Channing Frye 0.40
Charles Barkley 15.65
Charles Oakley 1.80
Charles Smith 0.40
Charlie Villanueva 0.40
Chauncey Billups 3.95
Chris Bosh 1.15
Chris Ford 1.00
Chris Mullin 3.00
Chris Paul 5.30
Chris Webber 5.90
Christian Laettner 0.40
Chuck Person 2.15
Clark Kellogg 0.40
Clifford Robinson 1.20
Clint Richardson 1.00
Clyde Drexler 7.50
Corliss Williamson 1.00
Dale Ellis 0.50
Damon Stoudamire 2.15
Dan Issel 3.00
Dan Majerle 1.20
Dan Roundfield 4.35
Danny Ainge 1.00
Danny Vranes 0.60
Darius Miles 0.40
Darrell Griffith 2.15
Darrell Walker 0.40
Darren Collison 0.40
Dave Cowens 3.60
David Greenwood 0.40
David Robinson 25.65
David Thompson 3.00
Dee Brown 0.40
Dennis Johnson 12.55
Dennis Rodman 17.00
Dennis Scott 0.40
Derek Fisher 4.00
Derek Harper 1.20
Deron Williams 1.90
Derrick Coleman 3.15
Derrick McKey 1.60
Derrick Rose 2.15
Detlef Schrempf 0.50
Devean George 1.00
Devin Brown 1.00
Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
Dominique Wilkins 8.40
Don Buse 0.80
Doug Christie 2.60
Drazen Petrovic 3.50
Drew Gooden 0.40
Dudley Bradley 0.60
Dwight Howard 10.90
Dwyane Wade 7.20
Earl Monroe 3.00
Eddie House 1.00
Eddie Johnson 0.60
Eddie Jones 2.70
Elton Brand 2.90
Elvin E. Hayes 3.00
Emeka Okafor 2.15
Eric Snow 0.60
Fabricio Oberto 1.00
Francisco Elson 1.00
Franklin Edwards 1.00
Gary Payton 17.35
George Gervin 6.75
George Johnson 0.60
Gerald Henderson 2.00
Gerald Wallace 0.80
Gilbert Arenas 1.75
Glen Rice 2.25
Glenn Robinson 0.40
Grant Hill 6.15
Greg Anderson 0.40
Gus Williams 1.75
Hakeem Olajuwon 29.35
Hersey Hawkins 0.40
Horace Grant 6.40
Isaiah Rider 1.40
Isiah Thomas 8.90
Jack Sikma 0.60
Jamaal Wilkes 2.00
Jamal Mashburn 0.90
James Edwards 2.00
James Posey 2.00
James Worthy 7.40
Jason Caffey 1.00
Jason Kidd 14.10
Jason Richardson 0.40
Jason Williams 1.40
Jay Vincent 0.40
Jeff Green 0.40
Jeff Malone 0.40
Jeff Ruland 0.40
Jermaine O'Neal 1.75
Jerry Sichting 1.00
Jerry Stackhouse 0.40
Jim Chones 1.00
Joe Barry Carroll 0.40
Joe Dumars 10.95
Joe Johnson 0.50
Joe Smith 0.40
John Paxson 2.00
John Salley 2.00
John Starks 0.60
John Stockton 14.00
John Williams 0.40
Jordan Farmar 1.00
Jorge Garbajosa 0.40
Josh Smith 0.60
Julius Erving 11.00
Juwan Howard 0.50
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 17.70
Karl Malone 25.40
Keith Van Horn 0.40
Kelly Tripucka 0.40
Kelvin Ransey 0.40
Kendall Gill 0.40
Kendrick Perkins 1.00
Kenny Smith 2.40
Kenyon Martin 0.40
Kermit Washington 1.20
Kevin Durant 3.15
Kevin Garnett 21.25
Kevin Johnson 3.50
Kevin McHale 11.60
Kevin Willis 0.50
Kirk Hinrich 1.00
Kobe Bryant 26.10
Kurt Rambis 2.00
Lafayette Lever 1.35
Lamar Odom 2.40
LaMarcus Aldridge 0.40
LaPhonso Ellis 0.40
Larry Bird 27.70
Larry Hughes 0.80
Larry Johnson 2.90
Larry Nance 2.00
Larry Smith 0.40
Larry Spriggs 1.00
Latrell Sprewell 1.60
LeBron James 15.25
Lindsey Hunter 1.00
Lionel Simmons 0.40
Lonnie Shelton 0.60
Luc Longley 3.00
Luis Scola 0.40
Luol Deng 0.40
Magic Johnson 26.15
Malik Rose 1.00
Manu Ginobili 3.50
Manute Bol 0.60
Marc Iavaroni 1.00
Marc Jackson 0.40
Marcus Camby 5.60
Mario Elie 3.00
Mark Aguirre 1.00
Mark Eaton 8.40
Mark Jackson 2.15
Mark Price 2.50
Marques Johnson 1.50
Matt Harpring 0.40
Maurice Cheeks 4.80
Mehmet Okur 1.00
Michael Beasley 0.40
Michael Cooper 13.20
Michael Finley 1.40
Michael Jordan 46.50
Michael Redd 0.50
Micheal Ray Richardson 1.60
Micheal Williams 0.60
Mike Bibby 0.40
Mike Miller 2.15
Mitch Richmond 5.40
Mookie Blaylock 4.00
Morris Peterson 0.40
Moses Malone 16.05
Mychal Thompson 1.00
Nate Archibald 3.75
Nate McMillan 1.20
Nene Hilario 0.40
Norm Nixon 2.00
O.J. Mayo 0.40
Otis Birdsong 0.75
Otis Thorpe 1.00
P.J. Brown 1.80
Patrick Ewing 12.45
Pau Gasol 5.15
Paul Pierce 3.65
Paul Pressey 2.20
Paul Westphal 1.00
Peja Stojakovic 0.75
Pete Chilcutt 1.00
Pete Maravich 3.00
Pooh Richardson 0.40
Quinn Buckner 2.80
Quintin Dailey 0.40
Raja Bell 1.40
Rajon Rondo 2.40
Ralph Sampson 2.90
Randy Foye 0.40
Rasho Nesterovic 1.00
Ray Allen 2.25
Reggie Miller 1.50
Richard Hamilton 1.00
Rick Barry 3.00
Rick Fox 3.00
Rick Mahorn 1.60
Rick Robey 1.00
Rik Smits 0.40
Robert Horry 6.00
Robert Parish 7.25
Rod Strickland 0.75
Rodney McCray 1.40
Ron Artest 6.70
Ron Harper 4.40
Ron Mercer 0.40
Roy Tarpley 0.40
Rudy Gay 0.40
Russell Westbrook 0.40
Sam Bowie 0.40
Sam Cassell 1.75
Sam Perkins 0.40
Samaki Walker 1.00
Sasha Vujacic 1.00
Scott Brooks 1.00
Scott Wedman 1.60
Scott Williams 1.00
Scottie Pippen 22.10
Sean Elliott 1.00
Shane Battier 1.60
Shannon Brown 1.00
Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
Shareef Abdur-Rahim 0.40
Shawn Kemp 2.25
Shawn Marion 1.00
Sherman Douglas 0.40
Sidney Moncrief 11.85
Spencer Haywood 1.00
Stacey Augmon 0.40
Stacey King 1.00
Stephen Curry 0.40
Stephen Jackson 1.00
Stephon Marbury 1.40
Steve Francis 2.15
Steve Kerr 2.00
Steve Nash 11.50
Steve Smith 0.40
Steve Stipanovich 0.40
T. R. Dunn 1.80
Taj Gibson 0.40
Tayshaun Prince 3.40
Terry Cummings 3.40
Thabo Sefolosha 0.60
Theo Ratliff 1.20
Thurl Bailey 0.40
Tim Duncan 33.30
Tim Hardaway 4.15
Tiny Archibald 1.00
Tom Chambers 1.50
Tom Gugliotta 0.40
Toni Kukoc 3.00
Tony Allen 1.00
Tony Parker 3.90
Tracy McGrady 5.25
Trevor Ariza 1.00
Tyreke Evans 2.15
Udonis Haslem 1.00
Vernon Maxwell 2.00
Vin Baker 1.65
Vince Carter 3.40
Vinnie Johnson 2.00
Vlade Divac 0.40
Wally Szczerbiak 0.40
Walt Frazier 3.00
Wayne Rollins 1.40
Wes Unseld 3.00
Willie Anderson 0.40
Xavier McDaniel 0.40
Yao Ming 3.40
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 0.40

Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Players Ranked by Championship Minutes Played Since 1980

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Players Ranked by Number of Rings (Championships) Won Since 1980

Monday, August 23, 2010

Alphabetic Lists of all Players Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

ALPHABETIC LISTS OF ALL PLAYERS WHO HAVE WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING
In this Report we are doing two alphabetical lists of all players who won the Quest for the Ring between 1980 and 2010, with an entry for each time each player won. The first listing is called the inclusive version. In this one all players who won who played 300 minutes or more during the season are included. The second listing is called the strict version. In this one all players who won who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season are included. The first listing includes all players except ones who played very little. The second listing includes only players who were starters or heavy minutes non-starters for much of the season.

Each entry consists of (1) The name of the player (2) the player's team (3) the age of the player when he won and (4) the number of minutes he played during the season he won the Quest. You can find the year(s) any player won by checking the “Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring” Reports.

Minutes played are a pretty good approximation of how good the player was. But remember, as the User Guide to the Real Player Rating system explains, the players with the most minutes are not always actually the best players.

Obviously, this is the Report to use to look up any player by name. Aside from seeing whether a player you have in mind has ever won, you can quickly tell how many rings each player has won simply by observing how many times his name appears. The alphabetical sorting is by first name.

========== ALPHABETIC LIST OF PLAYERS WHO WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING 1980-2010 ==========
-Alphabetical by first names
-Inclusive Version: All players who won a ring in a season when they played at least 300 minutes are included

Player / Team / Age / Minutes
A.C. Green LA L 36 1,929
A.C. Green LA L 24 2,636
A.C. Green LA L 23 2,240
Adrian Dantley DETR 32 1,341
Alonzo Mourning MIAM 35 1,302
Andrew Bynum LA L 22 1,977
Andrew Bynum LA L 21 1,446
Andrew Toney PHIL 25 2,474
Antoine Walker MIAM 29 2,199
Antonio Daniels SN A 23 614
Avery Johnson SN A 33 1,672
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 25 2,492
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 24 1,875
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 23 1,731
Ben Wallace DETR 29 3,050
Beno Udrih SN A 24 948
Beno Udrih SN A 22 1,149
Bill Cartwright CHIC 35 1,253
Bill Cartwright CHIC 34 1,471
Bill Cartwright CHIC 33 2,273
Bill Laimbeer DETR 32 2,675
Bill Laimbeer DETR 31 2,640
Bill Walton BOST 33 1,546
Bill Wennington CHIC 34 467
Bill Wennington CHIC 33 783
Bill Wennington CHIC 32 1,065
Billy Thompson LA L 23 762
Bob Hansen CHIC 31 769
Bob McAdoo LA L 33 1,254
Bob McAdoo LA L 30 746
Bob Sura DETR 30 707
Bobby Jones PHIL 31 1,749
Brent Barry SN A 35 1,631
Brent Barry SN A 33 1,742
Brian Scalabrine BOST 29 512
Brian Shaw LA L 35 631
Brian Shaw LA L 34 1,833
Brian Shaw LA L 33 1,249
Bruce Bowen SN A 35 2,464
Bruce Bowen SN A 33 2,627
Bruce Bowen SN A 31 2,566
Byron Scott LA L 26 3,048
Byron Scott LA L 25 2,729
Byron Scott LA L 23 2,305
Carl Herrera HOUS 28 1,331
Carl Herrera HOUS 27 1,292
Cedric Maxwell BOST 28 2,502
Cedric Maxwell BOST 25 2,730
Chauncey Billups DETR 27 2,758
Chris Ford BOST 32 2,723
Chucky Atkins DETR 29 751
Chucky Brown HOUS 26 814
Clemon Johnson PHIL 26 698
Cliff Levingston CHIC 31 1,020
Cliff Levingston CHIC 30 1,013
Clint Richardson PHIL 26 1,755
Clyde Drexler HOUS 32 1,300
Corliss Williamson DETR 30 1,574
Craig Hodges CHIC 31 555
Craig Hodges CHIC 30 843
D.J. Mbenga LA L 19 355
Danny Ainge BOST 26 2,407
Danny Ainge BOST 24 1,154
Danny Ferry SN A 36 601
Darrell Walker CHIC 31 367
Darvin Ham DETR 30 484
David Robinson SN A 37 1,676
David Robinson SN A 33 1,554
David Thirdkill BOST 25 385
Dennis Hopson CHIC 25 728
Dennis Johnson BOST 31 2,732
Dennis Johnson BOST 29 2,665
Dennis Rodman CHIC 36 2,856
Dennis Rodman CHIC 35 1,947
Dennis Rodman CHIC 34 2,088
Dennis Rodman DETR 28 2,377
Dennis Rodman DETR 27 2,208
Derek Anderson MIAM 31 465
Derek Fisher LA L 35 2,227
Derek Fisher LA L 34 2,441
Derek Fisher LA L 27 1,974
Derek Fisher LA L 26 709
Derek Fisher LA L 25 1,803
Devean George LA L 24 1,759
Devean George LA L 23 593
Devean George LA L 22 345
Devin Brown SN A 26 1,238
Dickey Simpkins CHIC 24 395
Dickey Simpkins CHIC 23 685
Don Ford LA L 27 580
Dwyane Wade MIAM 24 2,892
Earl Cureton PHIL 25 987
Eddie House BOST 29 1,480
Eddie Jordan LA L 27 608
Elden Campbell DETR 35 892
Fabricio Oberto SN A 31 1,365
Francisco Elson SN A 30 1,332
Frank Brickowski LA L 27 404
Franklin Edwards PHIL 23 1,266
Gary Payton MIAM 37 2,305
Gerald Henderson DETR 34 335
Gerald Henderson BOST 28 2,088
Gerald Henderson BOST 25 1,608
Glen Davis BOST 22 940
Glen Rice LA L 32 2,530
Greg Foster LA L 32 451
Greg Kite BOST 24 464
Hakeem Olajuwon HOUS 32 2,853
Hakeem Olajuwon HOUS 31 3,277
Horace Grant LA L 35 2,390
Horace Grant CHIC 27 2,745
Horace Grant CHIC 26 2,859
Horace Grant CHIC 25 2,641
Isaiah Rider LA L 29 1,206
Isiah Thomas DETR 28 2,993
Isiah Thomas DETR 27 2,924
Jacque Vaughn SN A 31 760
Jamaal Wilkes LA L 31 761
Jamaal Wilkes LA L 28 2,906
Jamaal Wilkes LA L 26 3,111
James Edwards DETR 34 2,283
James Edwards DETR 33 1,254
James Posey BOST 31 1,821
James Posey MIAM 29 1,914
James Worthy LA L 26 2,655
James Worthy LA L 25 2,819
James Worthy LA L 23 2,696
Jaren Jackson SN A 31 861
Jason Caffey CHIC 24 710
Jason Caffey CHIC 23 1,405
Jason Caffey CHIC 22 545
Jason Kapono MIAM 24 665
Jason Williams MIAM 30 1,874
Jerome Kersey SN A 36 699
Jerry Sichting BOST 29 1,596
Jim Brewer LA L 30 966
Jim Chones LA L 30 2,394
Joe Dumars DETR 26 2,578
Joe Dumars DETR 25 2,408
Joe Kleine CHIC 36 397
John Paxson CHIC 32 1,030
John Paxson CHIC 31 1,946
John Paxson CHIC 30 1,971
John Salley LA L 35 303
John Salley DETR 25 1,914
John Salley DETR 24 1,458
Jordan Farmar LA L 23 1,474
Jordan Farmar LA L 22 1,192
Josh Powell LA L 27 581
Josh Powell LA L 26 703
Jud Buechler CHIC 29 608
Jud Buechler CHIC 28 703
Jud Buechler CHIC 27 740
Julius Erving PHIL 32 2,421
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 40 2,308
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 39 2,441
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 37 2,630
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 34 2,677
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 32 3,143
Kendrick Perkins BOST 23 1,912
Kenny Smith HOUS 29 2,030
Kenny Smith HOUS 28 2,209
Kevin Garnett BOST 31 2,328
Kevin McHale BOST 28 2,397
Kevin McHale BOST 26 2,577
Kevin McHale BOST 23 1,645
Kevin Willis SN A 40 840
Kobe Bryant LA L 31 2,835
Kobe Bryant LA L 30 2,960
Kobe Bryant LA L 23 3,063
Kobe Bryant LA L 22 2,783
Kobe Bryant LA L 21 2,524
Kurt Rambis LA L 29 845
Kurt Rambis LA L 28 1,514
Kurt Rambis LA L 26 1,617
Kurt Rambis LA L 23 1,131
Lamar Odom LA L 30 2,585
Lamar Odom LA L 29 2,316
Larry Bird BOST 29 3,113
Larry Bird BOST 27 3,028
Larry Bird BOST 24 3,239
Larry Spriggs LA L 25 1,292
Leon Powe BOST 24 809
Lindsey Hunter DETR 33 661
Lindsey Hunter LA L 31 1,616
Luc Longley CHIC 29 1,703
Luc Longley CHIC 28 1,472
Luc Longley CHIC 27 1,641
Luke Walton LA L 28 1,166
M.L. Carr BOST 33 585
M.L. Carr BOST 30 655
Magic Johnson LA L 28 2,637
Magic Johnson LA L 27 2,904
Magic Johnson LA L 25 2,781
Magic Johnson LA L 22 2,991
Magic Johnson LA L 20 2,795
Malik Rose SN A 30 862
Malik Rose SN A 28 1,933
Malik Rose SN A 24 608
Manu Ginobili SN A 29 2,060
Manu Ginobili SN A 27 2,193
Manu Ginobili SN A 25 1,431
Marc Iavaroni PHIL 26 1,612
Mario Elie SN A 35 1,291
Mario Elie HOUS 31 1,896
Mario Elie HOUS 30 1,606
Mark Aguirre DETR 30 2,005
Mark Aguirre DETR 29 1,068
Mark Landsberger LA L 26 1,134
Mark Landsberger LA L 24 374
Mark Madsen LA L 26 650
Mark Madsen LA L 25 641
Matt Bonner SN A 26 654
Matt Bullard HOUS 26 725
Maurice Cheeks PHIL 26 2,465
Mehmet Okur DETR 24 1,580
Michael Cooper LA L 31 1,793
Michael Cooper LA L 30 2,253
Michael Cooper LA L 28 2,189
Michael Cooper LA L 25 2,197
Michael Cooper LA L 23 1,973
Michael Doleac MIAM 28 371
Michael Finley SN A 33 1,823
Michael Jordan CHIC 34 3,181
Michael Jordan CHIC 33 3,106
Michael Jordan CHIC 32 3,090
Michael Jordan CHIC 29 3,067
Michael Jordan CHIC 28 3,102
Michael Jordan CHIC 27 3,034
Micheal Williams DETR 22 358
Mike James DETR 28 512
Mike McGee LA L 25 1,170
Mike McGee LA L 22 352
Mike Penberthy LA L 26 851
Mike Smrek LA L 25 421
Milt Wagner LA L 24 380
Mitch Kupchak LA L 30 716
Mitch Kupchak LA L 27 821
Mitch Richmond LA L 36 709
Moses Malone PHIL 27 2,922
Mychal Thompson LA L 33 2,007
Mychal Thompson LA L 32 680
Nazr Mohammed SN A 27 414
Norm Nixon LA L 26 3,024
Norm Nixon LA L 24 3,226
Otis Thorpe HOUS 32 1,188
Otis Thorpe HOUS 31 2,909
Pau Gasol LA L 29 2,403
Pau Gasol LA L 28 2,999
Paul Pierce BOST 30 2,874
Pete Chilcutt HOUS 26 1,347
Quinn Buckner BOST 29 1,249
Rajon Rondo BOST 21 2,306
Randy Brown CHIC 29 1,147
Randy Brown CHIC 28 1,057
Randy Brown CHIC 27 671
Rasheed Wallace DETR 29 673
Rasho Nesterovic SN A 28 1,785
Ray Allen BOST 32 2,624
Reggie Johnson PHIL 25 549
Richard Hamilton DETR 25 2,772
Rick Carlisle BOST 26 760
Rick Fox LA L 32 2,289
Rick Fox LA L 31 2,291
Rick Fox LA L 30 1,473
Rick Mahorn DETR 30 1,795
Rick Robey BOST 25 1,569
Robert Horry SN A 36 1,124
Robert Horry SN A 34 1,396
Robert Horry LA L 31 2,140
Robert Horry LA L 30 1,587
Robert Horry LA L 29 1,685
Robert Horry HOUS 24 2,074
Robert Horry HOUS 23 2,370
Robert Parish CHIC 43 406
Robert Parish BOST 32 2,567
Robert Parish BOST 30 2,867
Robert Parish BOST 27 2,298
Rodney McCray CHIC 31 1,019
Ron Artest LA L 30 2,605
Ron Harper LA L 37 1,139
Ron Harper LA L 36 2,042
Ron Harper CHIC 34 2,284
Ron Harper CHIC 33 1,740
Ron Harper CHIC 32 1,886
Russ Schoene PHIL 22 702
Sam Cassell HOUS 25 1,882
Sam Cassell HOUS 24 1,122
Sam Vincent BOST 22 432
Samaki Walker LA L 25 1,655
Sasha Vujacic LA L 25 575
Sasha Vujacic LA L 24 1,293
Scott Brooks HOUS 28 1,225
Scott Burrell CHIC 27 1,096
Scott Wedman BOST 33 1,402
Scott Wedman BOST 31 916
Scott Williams CHIC 24 1,369
Scott Williams CHIC 23 690
Scott Williams CHIC 22 337
Scottie Pippen CHIC 32 1,652
Scottie Pippen CHIC 31 3,095
Scottie Pippen CHIC 30 2,825
Scottie Pippen CHIC 27 3,123
Scottie Pippen CHIC 26 3,164
Scottie Pippen CHIC 25 3,014
Sean Elliott SN A 30 1,509
Shandon Anderson MIAM 32 638
Shannon Brown LA L 24 1,700
Shaquille O'Neal MIAM 33 1,806
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 29 2,422
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 28 2,924
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 27 3,163
Speedy Claxton SN A 24 471
Spencer Haywood LA L 30 1,544
Stacey King CHIC 26 1,059
Stacey King CHIC 25 1,268
Stacey King CHIC 24 1,198
Stanislav Medvedenko LA L 22 729
Stephen Jackson SN A 24 2,254
Steve Kerr SN A 37 952
Steve Kerr SN A 33 734
Steve Kerr CHIC 32 1,119
Steve Kerr CHIC 31 1,861
Steve Kerr CHIC 30 1,919
Steve Smith SN A 33 1,032
Tayshaun Prince DETR 23 2,701
Tim Breaux HOUS 24 340
Tim Duncan SN A 30 2,725
Tim Duncan SN A 28 2,203
Tim Duncan SN A 26 3,181
Tim Duncan SN A 22 1,963
Tiny Archibald BOST 32 2,820
Toni Kukoc CHIC 29 2,235
Toni Kukoc CHIC 28 1,610
Toni Kukoc CHIC 27 2,103
Tony Allen BOST 26 1,373
Tony Massenburg SN A 37 699
Tony Parker SN A 24 2,499
Tony Parker SN A 22 2,735
Tony Parker SN A 20 2,774
Travis Knight LA L 25 410
Trent Tucker CHIC 33 909
Trevor Ariza LA L 23 1,998
Tyronn Lue LA L 23 468
Udonis Haslem MIAM 25 2,491
Vernon Maxwell HOUS 29 2,038
Vernon Maxwell HOUS 28 2,571
Vinnie Johnson DETR 33 1,972
Vinnie Johnson DETR 32 2,073
Vladimir Radmanovic LA L 28 771
Wayne Simien MIAM 22 414
Wes Matthews LA L 28 706
Wes Matthews LA L 27 532
Will Perdue SN A 33 445
Will Perdue CHIC 27 998
Will Perdue CHIC 26 1,007
Will Perdue CHIC 25 972

========== PLAYERS WHO WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING 1980-2010 ==========
-Alphabetical by first names
-Strict Version: All players who won a ring in a season when they played at least 1,200 minutes are included

Player / Team / Age / Minutes
A.C. Green LA L 36 1,929
A.C. Green LA L 24 2,636
A.C. Green LA L 23 2,240
Adrian Dantley DETR 32 1,341
Alonzo Mourning MIAM 35 1,302
Andrew Bynum LA L 22 1,977
Andrew Bynum LA L 21 1,446
Andrew Toney PHIL 25 2,474
Antoine Walker MIAM 29 2,199
Avery Johnson SN A 33 1,672
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 25 2,492
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 24 1,875
B.J. Armstrong CHIC 23 1,731
Ben Wallace DETR 29 3,050
Bill Cartwright CHIC 35 1,253
Bill Cartwright CHIC 34 1,471
Bill Cartwright CHIC 33 2,273
Bill Laimbeer DETR 32 2,675
Bill Laimbeer DETR 31 2,640
Bill Walton BOST 33 1,546
Bob McAdoo LA L 33 1,254
Bobby Jones PHIL 31 1,749
Brent Barry SN A 35 1,631
Brent Barry SN A 33 1,742
Brian Shaw LA L 34 1,833
Brian Shaw LA L 33 1,249
Bruce Bowen SN A 35 2,464
Bruce Bowen SN A 33 2,627
Bruce Bowen SN A 31 2,566
Byron Scott LA L 26 3,048
Byron Scott LA L 25 2,729
Byron Scott LA L 23 2,305
Carl Herrera HOUS 28 1,331
Carl Herrera HOUS 27 1,292
Cedric Maxwell BOST 28 2,502
Cedric Maxwell BOST 25 2,730
Chauncey Billups DETR 27 2,758
Chris Ford BOST 32 2,723
Clint Richardson PHIL 26 1,755
Clyde Drexler HOUS 32 1,300
Corliss Williamson DETR 30 1,574
Danny Ainge BOST 26 2,407
David Robinson SN A 37 1,676
David Robinson SN A 33 1,554
Dennis Johnson BOST 31 2,732
Dennis Johnson BOST 29 2,665
Dennis Rodman CHIC 36 2,856
Dennis Rodman CHIC 35 1,947
Dennis Rodman CHIC 34 2,088
Dennis Rodman DETR 28 2,377
Dennis Rodman DETR 27 2,208
Derek Fisher LA L 35 2,227
Derek Fisher LA L 34 2,441
Derek Fisher LA L 27 1,974
Derek Fisher LA L 25 1,803
Devean George LA L 24 1,759
Devin Brown SN A 26 1,238
Dwyane Wade MIAM 24 2,892
Eddie House BOST 29 1,480
Fabricio Oberto SN A 31 1,365
Francisco Elson SN A 30 1,332
Franklin Edwards PHIL 23 1,266
Gary Payton MIAM 37 2,305
Gerald Henderson BOST 28 2,088
Gerald Henderson BOST 25 1,608
Glen Rice LA L 32 2,530
Hakeem Olajuwon HOUS 32 2,853
Hakeem Olajuwon HOUS 31 3,277
Horace Grant LA L 35 2,390
Horace Grant CHIC 27 2,745
Horace Grant CHIC 26 2,859
Horace Grant CHIC 25 2,641
Isaiah Rider LA L 29 1,206
Isiah Thomas DETR 28 2,993
Isiah Thomas DETR 27 2,924
Jamaal Wilkes LA L 28 2,906
Jamaal Wilkes LA L 26 3,111
James Edwards DETR 34 2,283
James Edwards DETR 33 1,254
James Posey BOST 31 1,821
James Posey MIAM 29 1,914
James Worthy LA L 26 2,655
James Worthy LA L 25 2,819
James Worthy LA L 23 2,696
Jason Caffey CHIC 23 1,405
Jason Williams MIAM 30 1,874
Jerry Sichting BOST 29 1,596
Jim Chones LA L 30 2,394
Joe Dumars DETR 26 2,578
Joe Dumars DETR 25 2,408
John Paxson CHIC 31 1,946
John Paxson CHIC 30 1,971
John Salley DETR 25 1,914
John Salley DETR 24 1,458
Jordan Farmar LA L 23 1,474
Julius Erving PHIL 32 2,421
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 40 2,308
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 39 2,441
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 37 2,630
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 34 2,677
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar LA L 32 3,143
Kendrick Perkins BOST 23 1,912
Kenny Smith HOUS 29 2,030
Kenny Smith HOUS 28 2,209
Kevin Garnett BOST 31 2,328
Kevin McHale BOST 28 2,397
Kevin McHale BOST 26 2,577
Kevin McHale BOST 23 1,645
Kobe Bryant LA L 31 2,835
Kobe Bryant LA L 30 2,960
Kobe Bryant LA L 23 3,063
Kobe Bryant LA L 22 2,783
Kobe Bryant LA L 21 2,524
Kurt Rambis LA L 28 1,514
Kurt Rambis LA L 26 1,617
Lamar Odom LA L 30 2,585
Lamar Odom LA L 29 2,316
Larry Bird BOST 29 3,113
Larry Bird BOST 27 3,028
Larry Bird BOST 24 3,239
Larry Spriggs LA L 25 1,292
Lindsey Hunter LA L 31 1,616
Luc Longley CHIC 29 1,703
Luc Longley CHIC 28 1,472
Luc Longley CHIC 27 1,641
Magic Johnson LA L 28 2,637
Magic Johnson LA L 27 2,904
Magic Johnson LA L 25 2,781
Magic Johnson LA L 22 2,991
Magic Johnson LA L 20 2,795
Malik Rose SN A 28 1,933
Manu Ginobili SN A 29 2,060
Manu Ginobili SN A 27 2,193
Manu Ginobili SN A 25 1,431
Marc Iavaroni PHIL 26 1,612
Mario Elie SN A 35 1,291
Mario Elie HOUS 31 1,896
Mario Elie HOUS 30 1,606
Mark Aguirre DETR 30 2,005
Maurice Cheeks PHIL 26 2,465
Mehmet Okur DETR 24 1,580
Michael Cooper LA L 31 1,793
Michael Cooper LA L 30 2,253
Michael Cooper LA L 28 2,189
Michael Cooper LA L 25 2,197
Michael Cooper LA L 23 1,973
Michael Finley SN A 33 1,823
Michael Jordan CHIC 34 3,181
Michael Jordan CHIC 33 3,106
Michael Jordan CHIC 32 3,090
Michael Jordan CHIC 29 3,067
Michael Jordan CHIC 28 3,102
Michael Jordan CHIC 27 3,034
Moses Malone PHIL 27 2,922
Mychal Thompson LA L 33 2,007
Norm Nixon LA L 26 3,024
Norm Nixon LA L 24 3,226
Otis Thorpe HOUS 31 2,909
Pau Gasol LA L 29 2,403
Pau Gasol LA L 28 2,999
Paul Pierce BOST 30 2,874
Pete Chilcutt HOUS 26 1,347
Quinn Buckner BOST 29 1,249
Rajon Rondo BOST 21 2,306
Rasho Nesterovic SN A 28 1,785
Ray Allen BOST 32 2,624
Richard Hamilton DETR 25 2,772
Rick Fox LA L 32 2,289
Rick Fox LA L 31 2,291
Rick Fox LA L 30 1,473
Rick Mahorn DETR 30 1,795
Rick Robey BOST 25 1,569
Robert Horry SN A 34 1,396
Robert Horry LA L 31 2,140
Robert Horry LA L 30 1,587
Robert Horry LA L 29 1,685
Robert Horry HOUS 24 2,074
Robert Horry HOUS 23 2,370
Robert Parish BOST 32 2,567
Robert Parish BOST 30 2,867
Robert Parish BOST 27 2,298
Ron Artest LA L 30 2,605
Ron Harper LA L 36 2,042
Ron Harper CHIC 34 2,284
Ron Harper CHIC 33 1,740
Ron Harper CHIC 32 1,886
Sam Cassell HOUS 25 1,882
Samaki Walker LA L 25 1,655
Sasha Vujacic LA L 24 1,293
Scott Brooks HOUS 28 1,225
Scott Wedman BOST 33 1,402
Scott Williams CHIC 24 1,369
Scottie Pippen CHIC 32 1,652
Scottie Pippen CHIC 31 3,095
Scottie Pippen CHIC 30 2,825
Scottie Pippen CHIC 27 3,123
Scottie Pippen CHIC 26 3,164
Scottie Pippen CHIC 25 3,014
Sean Elliott SN A 30 1,509
Shannon Brown LA L 24 1,700
Shaquille O'Neal MIAM 33 1,806
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 29 2,422
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 28 2,924
Shaquille O'Neal LA L 27 3,163
Spencer Haywood LA L 30 1,544
Stacey King CHIC 25 1,268
Stephen Jackson SN A 24 2,254
Steve Kerr CHIC 31 1,861
Steve Kerr CHIC 30 1,919
Tayshaun Prince DETR 23 2,701
Tim Duncan SN A 30 2,725
Tim Duncan SN A 28 2,203
Tim Duncan SN A 26 3,181
Tim Duncan SN A 22 1,963
Tiny Archibald BOST 32 2,820
Toni Kukoc CHIC 29 2,235
Toni Kukoc CHIC 28 1,610
Toni Kukoc CHIC 27 2,103
Tony Allen BOST 26 1,373
Tony Parker SN A 24 2,499
Tony Parker SN A 22 2,735
Tony Parker SN A 20 2,774
Trevor Ariza LA L 23 1,998
Udonis Haslem MIAM 25 2,491
Vernon Maxwell HOUS 29 2,038
Vernon Maxwell HOUS 28 2,571
Vinnie Johnson DETR 33 1,972
Vinnie Johnson DETR 32 2,073

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QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.

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WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.

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A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins

A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense

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2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.

The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.

Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.

THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
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THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.

MOST RECENT LEAGUE WIDE REAL PLAYER RATINGS

Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

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