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REPORTS--#21 THROUGH #40


Friday, February 5, 2010

New and Important Features for Basketball Managers, Coaches, Fans, and Writers

With the regular about half over, I thought I would give a rundown of recent goings on behind the scenes here at Quest for the Ring headquarters. Visitors to the Quest may think when there are no postings for two or three weeks that no work is being done on the site, but nothing could be farther from the truth. (Google may also think that but we know they are out of touch with their stuck in the 1990's search engine, don't we, laugh out loud).

We are usually, even when going a week or two without posting, working hard on perfecting features already deployed, on developing new features, and of course on preparing for future Reports.

Here are some highlights of recent work going on behind the scenes for high level basketball managers and watchers. Remember, there are dozens of other features here at Quest that have been developed long before these recent ones.

QUEST FOR THE RING LIVE GAME BLOGGING
We have changed our live game blogging host from Twitter to Tumblr. As with Twitter, the live game posts will appear not only on the new Quest Tumblr Page but also right on this home page, way down near the bottom of this page. So if you miss the live blogging as I would imagine most of you will, you can always come here to find out what upcoming Report previews were made and what lunacy transpired during the game. Remember, these live blogs are only 3/4 serious but raw and unedited, and 1/4 more or less lunacy. But I warn you, there is some truth hidden in some of the lunacy.

We live blogged a few games during 2009 at Twitter under the name "Questforthering". But Twitter turned out to be a big mistake. Apparently, Twitter is undercapitalized or has bad management, because they are actually stopping people from posting to their micro blogs if they make more than a few dozen postings in an hour. This is an unpublished "rule" which is apparently subject to change from day to day.

Keep in mind that you can only post up to 140 characters in a "tweet" at Twitter, roughly 30 words or so. And yet Twitter is cutting people off after roughly 50 tweets, or in other words after roughly 1,500 words, the size of a moderately long newspaper article. So Twitter has obviously become nothing more than a joke, and we are going to have nothing more to do with them.

We deleted the account. We were able to save some but not all of our Tweets, so technically this is the first time in history that an Internet site has been so badly managed that we lost content.

Please do yourself a favor and do not fall into the "Twitter trap". That site is garbage unless you are a celebrity, in which case no doubt you are never stopped from tweeting no matter how many tweets you make.

Just as Quest for the Ring is a lower traffic and sort of a secret site on the Internet, there are always such sites for every other possible application and subject. So we hunted for alternatives for Twitter and found numerous ones. For almost every subject, there are countless sites that are better than the site at the "top of the heap" traffic wise. Google these days is missing much of the internet, partly because of the size of the Internet and partly because Goolge policies heavily favor sites started before 2000.

We chose one of the most popular of the non-Twitter micro blog formats: Tumblr. Unfortunately, we don't have resources to do more than about one live game blog per month. Post links to Quest for the Ring if you want this site to get more traffic and get more production time assigned to it. (But there is an untouchable minimum production regardless of traffic which is more production than most other sites written by a very small staff.)

THE QUEST FOR THE RING TOOLBOX
The Quest Toolbox Site was recently improved dramatically and anyone can now go there and in a very short time calculate Real Player Ratings for anyone they have data for. About ten days ago, the embedded yet interactive spreadsheet (a true state of the art Internet application if there ever was one) was, like many state of the art things, not working correctly. But as of today, it is working fantastically. Try it, you will not be disappointed.

There is a Toolbox User Guide right there on the page.

THE QUEST FOR THE RING INJURIES MONITOR PAGE
It's considered rude to say it, but the truth is that injuries or the lack of them often decide who wins playoff games (and regular season games).

All sports sites run by large corporations and a few run by a small number of medium sized corporations have what are supposed to be continually updated NBA injuries rundowns. These injury monitor pages do not draw a lot of visitors, and yet they are in theory among the most important pages for someone wanting to truly keep up with the real NBA situation and to know in advance how a game or a series is likely to go.

The problem is that the NBA injury situation is very hard to keep up with, both because it is always changing from day to day and because there is no law or League rule that says that teams must be truthful and timely about their injury situations. Some teams will by accident or sometimes intentionally give out misleading or inadequate information about their injury situation. The injuries themselves are often confusing to the team medical staffs, and there is often some uncertainty about how severe an injury is and about how long it will be until a player returns to the court.

Furthermore, some of the injury monitor pages are set up editorially smarter than others, and some have more day to day update work going into them than others.

The bottom line to all of this is that despite the fact that injuries are so important to determining who wins and who loses, finding out exactly what the injury situation is is a dicey proposition.

Until now. Now you can go to the Quest for the Ring Injuries Site and see in one place six different NBA injury rundowns by team. There is at the moment no User Guide for this, so we introduce one right here....

There are five injury rundowns provided by five different media companies and there are links to the official team injury reports that are part of what I call "team situation PDFs". These PDFs are little known goldmines of information about teams provided by people working for those teams, and there are links to the PDFs of ten 2010 contending teams on the Quest Injuries page. Eventually links to all 30 teams' PDFs will be available on that page.

What you do when you want to know which team is up and which team is down due to injuries is go to Quest for the Ring Injuries and start reviewing the various injury breakdowns, starting from the top. Often there is no need to review more than the first two or three rundowns. If there is a disagreement between two or more sources regarding one or more injury statuses as quite honestly there very often will be, you should do one or more of the following:

(1) Review four or five of the "source windows".

(2) Click the link to the official team situation PDF and see the injury report there. Whenever there is disagreement between the media sources, it is usually safe to rely on what the team PDF says as correct.

(3) If no source is saying a player will play (by not listing him in the injury report) assume the worst of the various reports is correct unless the most negative one is heavily outnumbered. For example, if when describing whether a player is going to play or not one source is saying doubtful, another source is saying questionable (which is slightly less pessimistic than doubtful) and another source is saying probable, assume the player is not going to play. The exception to that is if there is one media source saying a player is out but the other four are saying the player is probable. If and only if the probable heavily outnumbers the doubtful will I assume the player will play.

(4) If you see a player listed as probable or questionable or doubtful on one or two sources but you don't see that player listed at all on the other three or four sources, assume the player will play. Remember, when a player does not appear on the list, it is because there is supposed to be no injury and the player is supposed to be able to play.

You see what I mean: this injury stuff is more complicated than the average man on the street knows, and there is both an art (that I have taught you here) and a science (the information on the Injuries page) involved to guessing correctly in advance who is going to play and who is not.

THE QUEST FOR THE RING OVERTIME SITE
The Quest for the Ring used to take as long as 90 seconds to load even with a fast cable broadband connection. We decided recently to make 60 seconds the maximum load time. We have a site where we can find out exactly how long the page takes to load, and we will monitor that from time to time to make sure our page never takes more than 60 seconds to completely and totally load.

We had to move out several great features from the home page. We put them on a new Quest for the Ring Overtime Site.

FINALLY! CUSTOM CHARTS AND GRAPHS COME TO QUEST FOR THE RING
Is there any gizmo that has not yet appeared on Quest for the Ring? Believe or not, there are a few nice gizmos that have still never appeared on this site. One of which until now was a custom graph or chart. We finally got around to finding a resource we can use to make graphs and charts. It's surprising it took so long to introduce graphs given that Quest for the Ring uses custom designed statistics extensively.

Graphs and charts bolster our custom statistical products and let you see at a glance for example exactly how well players are doing. I mean, you can see at a glance with just numbers but somehow a graph or a chart make the numbers more compelling and easier to interpret. With graphs and charts, it is easier than ever to compare a team from one year to the next, to compare the seasons of a player, and to compare one team to another in the here and now.

Here is our first chart, which shows you the Denver Nuggets Real Player Ratings for 2008-09 as a whole and for 2009-10 through February 4, 2010. You can at a glance see how much better or how much worse a player is from last year to this year. (A player plotted at zero for one of the two years means that player did not play for the Nuggets that year.)

With this particular chart that you see below, you can see at a glance that George Karl is a complete idiot for not playing Reynaldo Balkman for at least 16 and preferably about 20 minutes a game this season.

In the chart you can at a glance see that Balkman in 2008-09 was a better player than Kenyon Martin in either 2008-09 or 2009-10. Yes, it's really true, yet the office politics of the Nuggets and of George Karl in particular means it is impossible to recognize that Kenyon Martin is not the untouchable superstar they falsely believe he is. I mean, if Reynaldo Balkman is at least as good as and probably better than Kenyon Martin, then exactly how good is Kenyon Martin? Not as good as George Karl and the Nuggets think, and not as good as Lamar Odom, Pau Gasol, and Andrew Bynum by the way either.

For more information about what is probably George Karl's biggest blunder for the current season, see this Report and this Report.

In a report coming in the near future, we will have our first team to team comparison graph; most likely Lakers versus Nuggets. It's going to be another in a long series of improvements to the closer and closer to perfect Real Player Rating system.

The yellow is 2008-09 and the red is 2009-10. I am aware that it is hard to read the player names and future graphs and charts will be easier to read if at all possible.

Here is the evaluation scale:
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.910 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.830 0.909
Very Good Player / A Solid Starter 0.760 0.829
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.650 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.590 0.649
Marginal Role Player 0.530 0.589
Poor Player 0.470 0.529
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.469
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399


Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Denver Nuggets Real Player Ratings as of February 4, 2010

DENVER NUGGETS
MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS
2009-10 SEASON Through February 4

Congratulations and respect are due to CHAUNCEY BILLUPS, who is leading the Nuggets in quality basketball so far this season.

Congratulations and respect are due to NENE, who has contributed more than any other player to the Nuggets so far this season.

HISTORIC SUPER STARS
None


SUPERSTARS
CHAUNCEY BILLUPS
CARMELO ANTHONY

STARS
Chris Andersen
Nene

VERY GOOD PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
Ty Lawson

BEST BY SIDE OF COURT
BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER

Chauncey Billups

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER
Chris Andersen

DENVER NUGGETS
REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 Regular Season
As of February 4, 2010

Quality of players: includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All players who have played at least 300 minutes included

Chauncey Billups 0.954
Carmelo Anthony 0.923
Chris Andersen 0.868
Nene Hilario 0.846
Ty Lawson 0.782
Kenyon Martin 0.740
J.R. Smith 0.665
Arron Afflalo 0.633
Anthony Carter 0.589
Joey Graham 0.404

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.910 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.830 0.909
Very Good Player / A Solid Starter 0.760 0.829
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.650 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.590 0.649
Marginal Role Player 0.530 0.589
Poor Player 0.470 0.529
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.469
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTES REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players

But keep in mind also that the value of these qualities may be overestimated, particularly with respect to playoff games. See the User Guide (link at the bottom) for much more.

DENVER NUGGETS
REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
2009-10 Regular Season
As of February 4, 2010
Quantity of players: includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All players who have played at least 300 minutes included

Nene Hilario 1392.66
Carmelo Anthony 1328.50
Chauncey Billups 1265.50
Kenyon Martin 1168.34
Chris Andersen 891.91
Arron Afflalo 793.36
Ty Lawson 768.41
J.R. Smith 755.54
Anthony Carter 296.03
Joey Graham 175.14

========== OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS ==================================

DENVER NUGGETS
OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2009-10 Regular Season
As of February 4, 2010
Offensive Quality: Includes all non-trivial offensive actions

Chauncey Billups 0.699
Carmelo Anthony 0.650
Ty Lawson 0.557
Nene Hilario 0.430
Anthony Carter 0.380
Arron Afflalo 0.371
J.R. Smith 0.360
Kenyon Martin 0.329
Chris Andersen 0.269
Joey Graham 0.177

DENVER NUGGETS
DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2009-10 Regular Season
As of February 4, 2010
Defending Quality: Includes both tracked and hidden defending

Chris Andersen 0.600
Nene Hilario 0.416
Kenyon Martin 0.412
J.R. Smith 0.305
Carmelo Anthony 0.273
Arron Afflalo 0.262
Chauncey Billups 0.255
Joey Graham 0.228
Ty Lawson 0.224
Anthony Carter 0.208

The breakdown between hidden and unhidden is available on request.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide.

Tuesday, February 2, 2010

Real Team Ratings as of February 2, 2010: the Cavaliers Surge and the Lakers fall Behind the Nuggets

REAL TEAM RATINGS
NBA 2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
AS OF FEBRUARY 2, 2009


Cleveland Cavaliers 41.10
Denver Nuggets 33.30
Orlando Magic 27.00
Los Angeles Lakers 26.90
Atlanta Hawks 25.80
Boston Celtics 23.40
Utah Jazz 21.40
Portland Trail Blazers 11.20
Dallas Mavericks 9.30
San Antonio Spurs 1.60
Oklahoma City Thunder -0.40
Charlotte Bobcats -2.40
Memphis Grizzlies -4.60
Phoenix Suns -7.90
Miami Heat -10.10
Houston Rockets -11.10
New Orleans Hornets -12.30
Chicago Bulls -13.10
Milwaukee Bucks -19.40
Toronto Raptors -26.60
New York Knicks -30.50
Philadelphia 76ers -32.20
Los Angeles Clippers -32.70
Washington Wizards -33.50
Detroit Pistons -38.20
Golden State Warriors -43.60
Sacramento Kings -43.60
Indiana Pacers -45.50
Minnesota Timberwolves -67.40
New Jersey Nets -79.90

THE EAST SITUATION: YIKES!
At the beginning of the season we thought the Cavaliers would meet the Lakers in the 2010 Championship, but the Cavaliers got off to such a stumbling start, and the Celtics got off to such an extremely strong start, that we switched our prediction to Celtics-Lakers for the 2010 Championship.

But since the last Real Team Ratings Report on December 26, the Celtics have stumbled while the Cavaliers have surged.

Whether to start projecting the Cavaliers in the 2010 Championship had to be and was strongly considered. But we decided to for now stand pat with the Celtics, partly because we think that Celtics' injury problems have been a big factor in their falling behind Cleveland by about 18 Real Team Rating (RTR) points.

Paul Pierce has missed five games, during which the Celtics were only 2-3. Kevin Garnett has missed eleven games, during which the Celtics were only 5-6. On the other hand though, Shaquille O'Neal has missed six games for the Cavaliers, who were however 5-1 during these games. But Shaquille O'Neal is still not as crucial to the Cavaliers as are either Pierce or Garnett for the Celtics; for one thing, O’Neal’s playing time is much less than that of Pierce or Garnett when they play.

Also, injuries to non-starters have been more significant for the Celtics than for the Cavaliers. Overall, I think the Celtics deserve roughly ten more RTR points relative to Cleveland due to injury problems that they presumably won't have come playoff time.

Another important reason I am maintaining the Celtics over the Cavaliers in my personal 2010 projection is that I am giving the Celtics about a 12 point RTR boost for having a Coach whose strategies and motivational skills will work better in the playoffs relative to the regular season and relative to the Cleveland coach. Doc Rivers knows more about how to win playoff games than does Mike Brown, whereas Brown is at least as good as Rivers for winning regular season games.

Having said all that, although we are officially maintaining our Celtics over Cavaliers projection, it is razor tight as to who will actually win it; a 7-game series is more and more likely.

WILD CARDS AND LONG SHOTS OF THE EAST
The main contenders in the East this year are the Cavaliers and the Celtics. The wild card / long shot contenders would consist of the Orlando Magic and the Atlanta Hawks. The Hawks have actually become a lot less surprising in the 38 days since the last RTR Report. Meanwhile, the Magic have reestablished the position many thought they had when the season began: a little stronger than the Hawks and the only real theoretical threat to the Celtics and Cavaliers. It was felt by many before the season began that the Hawks are still a player or two and/or a season or two away from being a true major threat to the top contenders. This is more and more being reflected in RTR lately.

Specifically, in the 38 days since the December 26 RTR Report, the Hawks declined from 37.4 to 25.8, while the Magic improved from 25.0 to 27.0. Looking at RTR alone, it remains way too close to call at the moment as to who would win a 2010 Hawks-Magic playoff series. However, we think the Magic would win it due to a definite playoff coaching advantage and a probable home court advantage.

As can be deduced from our keeping the Celtics as our projected East winner this year, we do not think that when all is said and done either the Hawks or the Magic will be able to defeat the Celtics in a playoff series this year, despite the fact that at the moment the Celtics are actually very slightly behind both the Magic and the Hawks RTR wise. In other words, we strongly expect the Celtics will finish the regular season ahead of both the Magic and the Hawks.

THE WEST SITUATION: DOUBLE YIKES!
The Denver Nuggets, thanks to their extremely good, League-leading .750 winning percentage against the best teams, have moved ahead of the Los Angeles Lakers in the West. The Lakers are just .526 versus the best teams at the moment. All of this is a little bit shocking quite honestly.

It may actually be an understatement to say that Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Chauncey Billups, Ty Lawson, Arron Afflalo, and on occasion J.R. Smith are chock loaded with raw scoring abilitiy. Also, Chris Andersen is a low volume but very efficient scoring machine. It is gradually becoming an inescapable conclusion that the Nuggets should by rights defeat the Lakers this year and be in the Championship, and if they don't the blame will have to go on Nuggets' coaching, but I am not at this moment quite ready to go that far. But I am very, very close to going that far; stay tuned.

The Nuggets have surged to a RTR of 33.3 whereas the Lakers are back at 26.9. Since the margin of error is 5-6 points, we can say that the Nuggets are most definitely slightly ahead of the Magic, the Lakers, the Hawks, the Celtics, and the Jazz. Judged by RTR alone (which is dangerous as the User Guide explains) we are looking at a Nuggets-Cleveland Cavaliers 2010 NBA Championship. Cleveland is right now slightly favored in a series against the Nuggets.

The Nuggets are way ahead of the Mavericks, the Trailblazers, and the Spurs. The Nuggets would be fairly heavy favorites to defeat any of these three teams as of now. Quest for the Ring no longer expects the Mavericks to defeat the Nuggets if the two teams meet again in this year’s playoffs, although we have not given up all hope yet. We do think that any Mavericks-Nuggets series will be closer than last year’s near Denver rout was. The main problem for Dallas and for anyone dreaming of beating the Nuggets this year is that the sheer amount of raw offensive skill that the Nuggets seem to have is astounding.

In parallel to our refusal to call the East in favor of the Cavaliers, we are at this time refusing to call the West in favor of the Nuggets despite their being currently ahead of the Lakers RTR wise by slightly more than the margin of error.

One reason we refuse to change our prediction that the Lakers will represent the West in this year's Championship is that the Lakers remain significantly ahead of the Nuggets in the all important net efficiency category. The Lakers offensive efficiency is currently 109.1 and their defensive efficiency is currently 102.0, for a net efficiency of 7.1. (This means, as you may remember, that for every 100 possessions, the Lakers outscore their opponents by 7.1 points. The Nuggets' offensive efficiency is a towering 111.8 but their defensive efficiency is just 106.1, for a net efficiency of 5.7.

The Nuggets’ offensive efficiency is the 2nd best in the NBA, behind only the Phoenix Suns, who are one of only five teams faster paced than the Nuggets by the way.

Aside from the Lakers remaining ahead of the Nuggets in net efficiency, they maintain a big 4.1 points per 100 possessions in defensive efficiency. If the defensive efficiency overweight adjustment should be larger than it is (which is quite frankly possible; we may be a little too conservative on that) then the gap between the Lakers and the Nuggets would be a less than it is.

LAKERS--NUGGETS LOOKS QUITE DIFFERENT THIS YEAR VERSUS LAST
When you look at last year versus this year, you see a fascinating role reversal for the Nuggets-Lakers confrontation. Last year, the Lakers were of course great on both offense and defense, but they were actually better offensively than defensively relative to the rest of the League. Last year, the Lakers were the 3rd best offensive team and the 6th best defensive team. This year so far, the Lakers are only the 10th best offensive team but they are the 2nd best defensive team.

Meanwhile, the Nuggets have been in pretty much the reverse pattern. Last year the Nuggets were the 7th best offensive team and the 8th best defensive team. This year so far, the Nuggets are the 2nd best offensive team but only the 13th best defensive team. Carmelo Anthony, Ty Lawson, and especially Arron Afflalo have exceeded almost everyone's offensive expectations, and they have more than offset the fact that J.R. Smith is so far this year no longer a huge offensive weapon for the Nuggets. Even Kenyon Martin has been ramping it up offensively this year.

Unfortunately for the Nuggets, defensively they have fallen off from last year's surprising 8th best defensive team status to only 13th best, which is very dangerously low if a team wants to make sure it is going to win in the playoffs, when defense is at a premium.

So the Lakers are emphasizing defense more so than they did last year (perhaps excessively, actually) whereas the Nuggets are emphasizing defense much less so than they did last year. Just to be 8th best last year, the Nuggets had to give everything they had to the defensive effort, whereas offensively they could coast on raw scoring skills.

If the Lakers are going to once again defeat the Nuggets this year, they will apparently be doing it with a very heavy emphasis on defense against a team that through massive raw scoring talent is an offensive powerhouse. In other words, the upcoming collision between the Lakers' extremely well coached defense and the Nuggets' extremely high raw skilled offense will be a major sight to behold. Meanwhile, the matchup between the Lakers' offense and the Nuggets' defense will apparently not be quite so high level.

In the 2009 Nuggets-Lakers West Final, it was mostly the reverse: the high level matchup was the Lakers' offense versus the super aggressive and energetic Nuggets' defense, whereas the less important matchup was the mostly street ball style Nuggets' offense against the relatively less important Lakers defense. The bottom line is that, if as increasingly appears a virtual certainty, the Lakers and the Nuggets meet up for the second straight year in the West final, the setup and probably the main dynamics will be the opposite of what they were last year.

WILD CARDS AND LONG SHOTS OF THE WEST
As for the wild cards and long shots of the West, the Mavericks have tumbled from 25.1 to 9.3 in the 38 days since the last RTR report. The Spurs have fallen from 8.0 to 1.6. The Phoenix Suns have gone from -2.0 to -7.9. All three of these teams are fading in the rear view mirror of both the Lakers and the Nuggets.

By contrast, the Utah Jazz have gone from -1.5 to 21.4. We are elevating the Jazz to long shot contender and dropping the Suns completely out of all of the contending categories including long shot. Look for a separate Report coming soon which will give our latest conference final and Championship projections and our latest breakdown for major, wild card, and long shot contenders.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING USER GUIDE
For complete details regarding how the Real Team Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide.

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LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD

LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD
The Nuggets are scary, but Lakers fans can breathe a sigh of relief when they think of who coaches them!

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QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.

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The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!

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WELCOME TO THE QUEST--THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.

Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.


A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins

A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense

UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.

2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.

The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.

Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.

THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.

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MOST RECENT LEAGUE WIDE REAL PLAYER RATINGS

Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

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