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Thursday, March 5, 2009

NBA Real Team Ratings

The NBA Real Team Ratings with about 6 weeks left in the regular season are here. There is a new, small adjustment included for the first time. Since there is a mild reverse correlation between pace and winning in the playoffs, there is from now on a "Pace Overweight Adjustment" included. Although the amount of this adjustment is small, it was enough in this case to move the Cleveland Cavaliers from a very small amount behind the Lakers to a very small amount ahead of them.

REAL TEAM RATINGS
Teams Rated According to Playoffs Potential
NBA: NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION
AS OF MARCH 5, 2009

1 Cleveland Cavaliers 51.80
2 Los Angeles Lakers 49.80
3 Boston Celtics 49.10
4 Orlando Magic 35.10
5 Houston Rockets 22.70
6 San Antonio Spurs 16.20
7 Utah Jazz 12.40
8 Portland Trail Blazers 10.70
9 New Orleans Hornets 10.00
10 Denver Nuggets 5.20
11 Dallas Mavericks -6.90
12 Atlanta Hawks -9.10
13 Phoenix Suns -15.00
14 Miami Heat -15.10
15 Detroit Pistons -15.10
16 Philadelphia 76ers -19.60
17 Chicago Bulls -23.10
18 Milwaukee Bucks -24.00
19 Charlotte Bobcats -24.50
20 Indiana Pacers -26.80
21 New Jersey Nets -31.60
22 New York Knicks -35.30
23 Golden State Warriors -47.10
24 Toronto Raptors -53.00
25 Memphis Grizzlies -54.90
26 Washington Wizards -63.90
27 Oklahoma City Thunder -64.20
28 Minnesota Timberwolves -67.80
29 Los Angeles Clippers -74.20
30 Sacramento Kings -86.20

QUEST COMMENTS AND PROJECTIONS
Since obviously we are going to stand by the accuracy of these ratings, as far as Quest for the Ring is concerned, the Cleveland Cavaliers are very much for real in this year's Quest, and are not only a threat to the Celtics' getting the ring, but are also a threat to the Lakers getting it as well. Of course, whether the Cavaliers could actually win the Quest would depend largely on one single player: LeBron James.

Generally speaking, this year's Quest is way too close to call between the Celtics, the Lakers, and LeBron James (the Cavaliers). The Magic are a darkhorse possibility; they have in terms of probability roughly a 1.5% chance of winning the Quest. Their chances would have been roughly 2.5% had Jameer Nelson not been removed from their list of available players. At the beginning of the season, it was hoped that the Rockets and/or the Hornets would be competitive with the Lakers, but this was not to be.

It is next to impossible that any other team other than the Lakers, the Celtics, the Cavaliers, or the Magic will win it this year. For example, even the Spurs are simply not fully competitive with these teams this year.

The Nuggets are the NBA's most surprising team this year, but our system rates them lower than most other raters do, and our system shows that the Nuggets are probably not going to win a playoff series, unless they are able to take full advantage of another team's injury, such as Tracy McGrady's injury for the Rockets.

The Pistons are one of the NBA's most surprising teams on the downside this year. Nevertheless, unless they have to play the Celtics, the Cavaliers, or the Magic in round one, the Pistons still have a very decent potential to win a playoff series this spring, precisely because they have a lot of talent that has been mostly hiding out so far this year.

Given how much trouble the Magic have had with defeating the Pistons in head to head games in recent years, including this year, it is not yet out of the question that the Pistons can defeat the Magic in a playoff series. The Magic seem to be very disrupted by the way the Pistons play defense. But as the ratings show, you would have to say as of now that the Magic would be heavily favored over the Pistons if they play in the playoffs this year.

Quest is currently sticking with our Championship forecast of Lakers 4 Celtics 3, but quite honestly the thing is up for grabs between the Lakers and Celtics, and very possibly the Cavaliers as well.

INTERPRETATION OF RATINGS GUIDELINES: TO BE USED AFTER MARCH 1 OF EACH YEAR ONLY
Of all the popular American sports Leagues, the NBA is the one where the better team is most likely to avoid being upset in the playoffs. Therefore, the RTR system can be used to gain knowledge of which team is most likely to win playoff series.

However, due to statistical error, especially unavoidable error introduced by the counting of wins and losses among the best 16 teams, there has to be a 3-4 points difference between teams before you can start to have any confidence at all that one team will defeat another in the playoffs. Aside from statistical error, there are also unknown factors, especially what the injury situation will be for the teams.

Another factor that becomes a big one when two teams with very similar ratings are playing is home court advantage. Home court advantage is estimated to be worth between 5 and 7.5 points.

Interpretation of ratings is not very useful before March 1, due to the need for a fairly high percentage of the season to be over before the projections are statistically meaningful, and due to the fact that the ratings are not relative to time, but rather expand with time.

In the numeric interpretaton guide that follows, the word "roughly" is repeatedly used in front of the probability numbers, as a reminder about statistical error, and to emphasize that unknown factors, especially injuries, will in some cases result in substantially different actual probabilities.

The probability percentages are based on the historical results in the NBA:

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 0 AND 3.9
The series is a toss-up, when statistical error is considered. There is a strong possibility of a 7 game series. The higher team has roughly a 64% probability of winning the series if it also has home court advantage. But if the slightly higher team does not have home court advantage, then the lower team has a roughly 60% probability of winning the series. These probabilities are too low for anyone to have any confidence in using this system to say who will win.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 4.0 AND 7.9
The series can easily go either way, although the higher team has a slight edge, and roughly a 72% probability of winning if it also has home court advantage. If however the higher team does not have home court advantage, then the probability that the higher team will wins drops to roughly 54%, a probability so small that the series is essentially a toss-up. In the latter case, there is a strong possibility of a 7 game series.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 8.0 AND 11.9
The series can go either way, but the higher team has a clear edge. The higher team has a roughly 78% chance of winning the series if it has home court advantage, and roughly a 65% chance of winning the series if it does not have the home court advantage.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 12.0 AND 15.9
The higher team has roughly a 90% probability of winning the series if it also has the home court advantage, and roughly an 80% chance of winning the series if it does not have the home court advantage.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 16.0 AND 19.9
The higher team has roughly a 96% probability of winning the series if it also has the home court advantage, and roughly a 90% probability of winning the series if it does not have the home court advantage.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 20.0 AND 23.9
The higher team has roughly a 98% probability of winning the series if it also has the home court advantage. It is basically impossible that the higher team will not also have the home court advantage.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 24.0 AND 27.9
The higher team has at least a 99% probability of winning the series. It is impossible that the higher team will not also have the home court advantage.

DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS 28.0 OR MORE
It is close to a 100% certainty that the higher team will win the series. It is impossible that the higher team will not also have the home court


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Wednesday, March 4, 2009

Carmelo "Che Guevara" Anthony?

Carmelo Anthony refuses to come out of the March 1, 2009 Nuggets at Pacers game. Has Carmelo Anthony suddenly become a revolutionary? Will he help us get an economy back? It’s very doubtful. This was a very interesting event, but nothing all that surprising if you know the background.

Carmelo Anthony, apparently realizing he is in a George Karl box as described extensively in the Quest report titled "Carmelo Anthony is now Downsized Thanks to George Karl", and getting very tired of and frustrated with that box, decides to become a little bit of a rebel.

During the first three quarters, it’s Melo in the box as usual: he gets fewer shots than he used to get, and he makes a lower percentage of them. It’s business as usual at the George Karl Center for Downsized but Well Rounded Basketball Stars. Then late in the 3rd, he makes two jump shots. He helps the Nuggets take a small but important lead.

He flashes back to the past, which nowadays seems kind of magical. He flashes back to high school games in Towson, Maryland and in Virginia for Oak Hill Academy. He flashes back to college games for Syracuse University and to games in his early Denver years. He flashes back to times when, for all practical purposes, he won games for his team, and to quarters when he could not miss a shot. He flashes back to Coach Jim Boeheim, who was a positive Coach, one who usually focuses on good things. Positive is good, it might even win you a NCAA College basketball Championship. Coaching that often focuses on negative things, such as criticism of styles and personalities, leads to a lot of first round exits in the NBA playoffs.

Those were the good old days. The days before Denver could not win a playoff series for half a decade, the days before George Karl became everyone’s parole officer, the days before the economy went to hell in a hand basket. He wants those times again, he wants those wins again, he wants out of the box. So suddenly, Melo changes his “I will do whatever Mr. Karl tells me and just be a good little kid with a good personality, while I make millions” policy. With a minute and change left in the 3rd, he refuses to come out of the game.

He refuses to come out for: Linas Kleiza! Yes, Linas Kleiza! Kleiza is in a Karl box of his own, is defensively porous, and is offensively inconsistent. The Nuggets are winning by 6 points, and a player such as Linas Kleiza is one of the worst players to insert into a game you are winning by a small margin, but have not yet closed down. Especially since, in case no one has noticed, Kleiza’s relatively inept defending has stood out like a sore thumb on this year’s Nuggets, who have been swarming like locusts on defense. It’s a good thing for him that his personality is solid, or else Kleiza would not be playing at all by now. Not to mention that Kleiza, who was denied a contract extension going in to this season, is almost certain to be going to another team this summer..

A full scale Melo rebellion would be very dangerous to the Nuggets, because they already have one black sheep on their squad, J.R. Smith, and they most likely consider one black sheep to be enough. I, on the other hand, recently pointed out that normal, quality basketball franchises make sure they don’t have any black sheep on their teams at all. On big time teams, a player such as J.R. Smith is either converted into being a normal sheep or, if he actually really and truly is a bad sheep, is sent packing to another team.

But I need to get back to the Carmelo Anthony has a flashback and momentarily becomes a rebel story.

So where were we? Oh yes, he decides to refuse to come out of the game late in the 3rd quarter,

Unfortunately, what Melo forgot, or doesn’t know in the first place, is that as a major basketball star, he could have largely ignored George Karl when Karl told him to rebound and pass more, and to not worry so much about scoring. Instead of that, he could have tried to bring the good old days into the present and the future. Make some minor adjustments, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Why would you not want the good old days to come into the future? It’s not as if the Nuggets are stuck on the LOST island, unable to control what time they are living in. Or actually, maybe that is their problem, metaphorically speaking of course.

Had he remained a “power scorer,” Carmelo could have escaped any punishment as long as he remained secretive (or on the down low, to the hip hop crowd) and respectful about not complying. But having decided to obey like a little kid, he now decides to stick up for himself as a man, and to stick up for the good old days, by refusing to come out of a game.

Wrong move! Or maybe, right move, but wrong time; you might get away with it in the playoffs if you are Carmelo Anthony. But in Mr. Karl’s precious regular season, refusing to come out of a game is a major violation of the ethics, morality, and honor of basketball. Plus, refusing to come out is expressly forbidden by the George Karl Style Manual. The Personality Judge, George Karl, is definitely going to throw the book at you for that, and then Colorado fans will be twittering about how bad your personality appears to be.

So Melo is suspended for the Pistons game, loses a game’s pay (and don’t think that owner Stan Kroenke won’t be happy about that in this economy) and gets treated like a little kid all the more after getting very tired with being treated like a little kid.

Naturally, the Nuggets lost the Pacers game. And for good measure they lost the game that Melo was suspended for, the Pistons game. This story would not have been as much fun had the Nuggets won either. More importantly, some of my points might be wrong had the Nuggets won. In the Pacers loss, Melo played 8 of 12 minutes in the fourth, still in the box of course. You can not quickly break out of a basketball box you have allowed yourself to go into and that you have been in awhile. Also contributing to that Nuggets’ loss was that Karl had to make sure that obscure players with sparse crunch time track records, such as Linas Kleiza and Chris Andersen, played almost the whole 4th quarter. And perennial Karl favorite Anthony Carter had to be given plenty of crunch time burn also.

Try to think of this the way Mr. Karl does: Carmelo Anthony is just one of the bunch. He's too young to be "special." Who needs Carmelo Anthony as a power scorer in crunch time? What do you think this is, a full scale pro basketball franchise?

Carmelo, how can you be so naïve? I wonder all the time, is Carmelo Anthony really as naïve as he sometimes seems to be, or does he actually fake it for ulterior motives? If it were me refusing to come out, I would have a sneaky ulterior motive up my sleeve. With Melo, I don't know for sure, but I doubt he had any ulterior motive.

Anthony needs to think long and hard before he makes any major changes in the way he plays basketball that are requested or demanded by George Karl. Karl apparently thinks that the NCAA is child's play, so he doesn't respect Anthony's NCAA Championship the way many other coaches do. Has he ever said one word about trying to transfer what Anthony did in the NCAA to the NBA? Not one that I know of. Karl is an establishment type coach, and all such coaches look at the NCAA as being just about meaningless compared with the glorious, mighty NBA.

But the NCAA does matter, and Anthony winning it was truly a great and notable accomplishment.

Many statements Karl has made over the years about Anthony not being a complete player, and about how he has to be changed, or reformed, show that he does not think that Anthony is all that great and that he doubts that Anthony will ever be all that great. He has repeatedly spoken about how Anthony is not a "well rounded player".

Moreover, Karl wanted to trade Carmelo Anthony in the early summer 2008 time period, when teams such as the Nets and the Pistons came calling. Were Karl in charge of trades, Anthony would not even be playing for Karl and the Nuggets right now!

Executives with other teams say Denver's management group is divided over Anthony's place with the team. They say Karl wants to trade him, but that general manager Mark Warkentien and club advisor Bret Bearup are against the move.


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Carmelo Anthony: your instructions are to stop making changes for a Coach who has a lower opinion of you than many other coaches do, and who would trade you if he had the power. Reverse the changes you have made to the extent possible.

The bottom line is that Karl is creating a self fulfulling prophesy with respect to Carmelo Anthony: he is having him make changes under the false premises that Anthony is not qualified to be a power scorer, and is never going to be great unless big changes are made, and probably will never be great even if big changes are made. But the truth is essentially the reverse: if Anthony makes the changes, which he has been doing, it will no longer be possible for him to be considered a great player.

When all is said and done this is not at all complicated: the only way Carmelo Anthony will ever be considered an historically great player is if he is a power scorer. This is what he most wants to do and what he has been capable of doing in the past.

Seriously Carmelo Anthony, you need to start acting like many successful (and relatively unsuccessful but rebel) men do, which means you ignore instructions from on high that you are sure are bad. Stop passing and rebounding so much and start making more moves that will get you the ball more. And start taking and making more jumpers, layups, and dunks. Nene and Chauncey are fine players, but Nene is basically a playoff rookie, and Chauncey can not run the offense and be a power scorer at the same time.

To be crystal clear, without Carmelo Anthony as a power scorer in the playoffs, the Nuggets are most likely going to lose their series, even if they have home court advantage, which, however, seems increasingly unlikely.

Oh well, for every Carmelo Anthony in this World there is an Anthony McDyess, someone for whom being treated like a little kid is out of the question. McDyess wanted no part of Denver and it’s obsessions with personalities, styles, and treating players like they are little kids. He refused to play for the Nuggets after he was traded along with Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson this season.

Recently, John Hollinger at ESPN claimed that McDyess must be upset that he refused to play for the Denver Nuggets, seeing how the Nuggets have been so wonderful and how the Pistons have stunk. Oh ye of little faith.

Mr. Hollinger had better check himself on that particular claim. Anthony McDyess, who has been a major leader for the Pistons this season, is no one’s fool. The Nuggets are skidding now, while the Pistons have just defeated the Magic, the Celtics, and the Nuggets themselves in the last three games. The Pistons sweep the Nuggets this season 2 games to none. The Pistons know very, very well that it is not over until the fat lady sings, and she doesn’t sing until May or even June for playoff teams.

The Pistons can all of a sudden taste emerging from the dozens of rotation experiments that made everyone’s head spin. The Pistons can now taste a late season surge and a sweet redemption. They can taste winning a playoff series while Chauncey Billups and the Nuggets lose yet another series. The Pistons have only begun to fight, while the Nuggets’ act is becoming very old very fast.

But what about Carmelo Anthony? Has he only begun to fight, or will he go back to being a nice little kid again?



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Sunday, March 1, 2009

NBA Real Player Ratings by Team

Here they are everyone, the Real Player Ratings for the NBA, presented by team. Go to here to see the ratings presented in one big list, for the NBA as a whole. For the first time, the ratings include an adjustment for defending actions that are not recorded by the League or by anyone else! This is, as they say, really big.

USER GUIDE NOTES THAT APPLY TO THIS PRESENTATION MODE
All players, including traded players, who have played 300 minutes or more for a team, are shown by the team played for. If a traded player has played for two teams 300 minutes or more, he is listed with both of those teams. To fully consider the current quality or strength of NBA teams, you need to include players recently acquired by trade. Such players may be listed only with their previous team, that is, the team they were traded from.

For complete details about how and why the Ratings work, see the User Guide:

USER GUIDE
For very detailed information about how Real Player Ratings were developed and are calculated, please consult the User Guide for Real Player Rating Reports for the NBA, for NBA Teams, and for Games

SCALE FOR REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect Player? Is there Such a Thing? 1.000 and more
Historic Super Star 0.950 and more
Super Star 0.850 0.949
A Star Player; An Extremely Good Starter 0.775 0.849
An Outstanding Player; A Solid Starter 0.700 0.774
Major Role Player 0.650 0.699
Role Player 0.600 0.649
Minor Role Player 0.550 0.599
Very Minor Role Player 0.500 0.549
Poor Player at This Time 0.450 0.499
Very Poor Player at This Time 0.350 0.449
Extremely Poor Player at This Time / Disaster and less 0.349

REAL PLAYER RATINGS BY TEAM, ALPHABETICALLY
NBA: NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION
FOR THE 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON
AS OF FEBRUARY 25 2009

Joe Johnson Atlanta 0.820
Josh Smith Atlanta 0.782
Mike Bibby Atlanta 0.764
Al Horford Atlanta 0.762
Zaza Pachulia Atlanta 0.721
Marvin Williams Atlanta 0.648
Ronald Murray Atlanta 0.637
Acie Law Atlanta 0.588
Solomon Jones Atlanta 0.460
Maurice Evans Atlanta 0.455

Kevin Garnett Boston 1.008
Rajon Rondo Boston 0.908
Paul Pierce Boston 0.765
Ray Allen Boston 0.748
Leon Powe Boston 0.686
Eddie House Boston 0.665
Kendrick Perkins Boston 0.590
Tony Allen Boston 0.555
Gabe Pruitt Boston 0.466
Glen Davis Boston 0.448
Brian Scalabrine Boston 0.307

Emeka Okafor Charlotte 0.798
Gerald Wallace Charlotte 0.765
Boris Diaw† Charlotte 0.691
Raymond Felton Charlotte 0.684
Jason Richardson† Charlotte 0.649
D.J. Augustin Charlotte 0.592
Raja Bell† Charlotte 0.544
Jared Dudley† Charlotte 0.500
Shannon Brown† Charlotte 0.465
Juwan Howard† Charlotte 0.420
Matt Carroll† Charlotte 0.381
Nazr Mohammed Charlotte 0.361
Adam Morrison† Charlotte 0.293

Kirk Hinrich Chicago 0.789
Joakim Noah Chicago 0.766
Drew Gooden Chicago 0.745
Derrick Rose Chicago 0.725
Ben Gordon Chicago 0.724
Luol Deng Chicago 0.716
Tyrus Thomas Chicago 0.710
Larry Hughes† Chicago 0.648
Andres Nocioni† Chicago 0.577
Thabo Sefolosha† Chicago 0.566
Aaron Gray Chicago 0.553

LeBron James Cleveland 1.305
Zydrunas Ilgauskas Cleveland 0.912
Mo Williams Cleveland 0.800
Delonte West Cleveland 0.738
Ben Wallace Cleveland 0.628
Anderson Varejao Cleveland 0.624
J.J. Hickson Cleveland 0.553
Wally Szczerbiak Cleveland 0.500
Sasha Pavlovic Cleveland 0.454
Daniel Gibson Cleveland 0.443

Dirk Nowitzki Dallas 0.974
Jason Kidd Dallas 0.923
Jason Terry Dallas 0.863
James Singleton Dallas 0.763
Jose Juan Barea Dallas 0.751
Erick Dampier Dallas 0.747
Josh Howard Dallas 0.733
Brandon Bass Dallas 0.682
Gerald Green Dallas 0.487
DeSagana Diop† Dallas 0.444
Antoine Wright Dallas 0.413
Devean George Dallas 0.320

Nene Hilario Denver 0.864
Carmelo Anthony Denver 0.860
Chauncey Billups† Denver 0.859
Chris Andersen Denver 0.755
J.R. Smith Denver 0.749
Kenyon Martin Denver 0.724
Renaldo Balkman Denver 0.716
Anthony Carter Denver 0.652
Linas Kleiza Denver 0.558
Dahntay Jones Denver 0.424

Allen Iverson† Detroit 0.744
Antonio McDyess Detroit 0.712
Rodney Stuckey Detroit 0.700
Rasheed Wallace Detroit 0.697
Amir Johnson Detroit 0.688
Tayshaun Prince Detroit 0.680
Richard Hamilton Detroit 0.638
Kwame Brown Detroit 0.580
Jason Maxiell Detroit 0.558
Arron Afflalo Detroit 0.321

Andris Biedrins Golden State 0.957
Brandan Wright Golden State 0.855
Ronny Turiaf Golden State 0.787
Stephen Jackson Golden State 0.765
Anthony Randolph Golden State 0.734
Corey Maggette Golden State 0.732
Anthony Morrow Golden State 0.710
Kelenna Azubuike Golden State 0.708
C.J. Watson Golden State 0.700
Jamal Crawford† Golden State 0.612
Marco Belinelli Golden State 0.574
Monta Ellis Golden State 0.557

Yao Ming Houston 1.008
Tracy McGrady Houston 0.793
Ron Artest Houston 0.765
Luis Scola Houston 0.716
Carl Landry Houston 0.695
Rafer Alston Houston 0.618
Aaron Brooks Houston 0.582
Von Wafer Houston 0.580
Shane Battier Houston 0.524
Brent Barry Houston 0.503
Luther Head Houston 0.446
Chuck Hayes Houston 0.429

Danny Granger Indiana 0.895
Troy Murphy Indiana 0.847
Rasho Nesterovic Indiana 0.841
T.J. Ford Indiana 0.832
Roy Hibbert Indiana 0.760
Marquis Daniels Indiana 0.725
Jeff Foster Indiana 0.723
Travis Diener Indiana 0.693
Mike Dunleavy Indiana 0.614
Jarrett Jack Indiana 0.571
Stephen Graham Indiana 0.484
Brandon Rush Indiana 0.408

Marcus Camby LA Clippers 1.008
Zach Randolph† LA Clippers 0.947
Baron Davis LA Clippers 0.772
Chris Kaman LA Clippers 0.746
Paul Davis LA Clippers 0.621
Eric Gordon LA Clippers 0.612
DeAndre Jordan LA Clippers 0.558
Al Thornton LA Clippers 0.541
Mardy Collins† LA Clippers 0.523
Steve Novak LA Clippers 0.520
Fred Jones LA Clippers 0.520
Brian Skinner LA Clippers 0.478
Jason Hart LA Clippers 0.459
Cuttino Mobley LA Clippers 0.444
Ricky Davis LA Clippers 0.358

Kobe Bryant LA Lakers 1.052
Andrew Bynum LA Lakers 0.931
Pau Gasol LA Lakers 0.929
Lamar Odom LA Lakers 0.825
Trevor Ariza LA Lakers 0.756
Jordan Farmar LA Lakers 0.650
Luke Walton LA Lakers 0.629
Derek Fisher LA Lakers 0.613
Sasha Vujacic LA Lakers 0.600
Vladimir Radmanovic† LA Lakers 0.531
Josh Powell LA Lakers 0.477

Hakim Warrick Memphis 0.688
Darko Milicic Memphis 0.680
Marc Gasol Memphis 0.645
Mike Conley Memphis 0.638
Kyle Lowry† Memphis 0.591
O.J. Mayo Memphis 0.579
Rudy Gay Memphis 0.564
Greg Buckner Memphis 0.481
Darrell Arthur Memphis 0.479
Quinton Ross Memphis 0.463

Dwyane Wade Miami 1.128
Shawn Marion† Miami 0.715
Michael Beasley Miami 0.679
Mario Chalmers Miami 0.615
Udonis Haslem Miami 0.605
Chris Quinn Miami 0.599
Jamaal Magloire Miami 0.522
Daequan Cook Miami 0.473
Yakhouba Diawara Miami 0.456
Joel Anthony Miami 0.434

Andrew Bogut Milwaukee 0.875
Charlie Villanueva Milwaukee 0.830
Ramon Sessions Milwaukee 0.781
Michael Redd Milwaukee 0.716
Luke Ridnour Milwaukee 0.710
Tyronn Lue† Milwaukee 0.665
Richard Jefferson Milwaukee 0.628
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute Milwaukee 0.600
Dan Gadzuric Milwaukee 0.527
Malik Allen Milwaukee 0.517
Charlie Bell Milwaukee 0.437
Joe Alexander Milwaukee 0.416
Francisco Elson Milwaukee 0.415

Al Jefferson Minnesota 1.017
Kevin Love Minnesota 0.735
Craig Smith Minnesota 0.646
Corey Brewer Minnesota 0.644
Randy Foye Minnesota 0.634
Mike Miller Minnesota 0.609
Sebastian Telfair Minnesota 0.571
Ryan Gomes Minnesota 0.530
Brian Cardinal Minnesota 0.529
Kevin Ollie Minnesota 0.486
Rodney Carney Minnesota 0.459
Rashad McCants† Minnesota 0.457

Devin Harris New Jersey 0.832
Vince Carter New Jersey 0.826
Brook Lopez New Jersey 0.730
Keyon Dooling New Jersey 0.669
Josh Boone New Jersey 0.654
Jarvis Hayes New Jersey 0.614
Yi Jianlian New Jersey 0.604
Ryan Anderson New Jersey 0.603
Eduardo Najera New Jersey 0.535
Bobby Simmons New Jersey 0.468
Trenton Hassell New Jersey 0.456

Chris Paul New Orleans 1.216
David West New Orleans 0.738
Devin Brown New Orleans 0.649
Antonio Daniels† New Orleans 0.580
Tyson Chandler New Orleans 0.567
James Posey New Orleans 0.543
Morris Peterson New Orleans 0.525
Peja Stojakovic New Orleans 0.513
Rasual Butler New Orleans 0.501
Sean Marks New Orleans 0.446
Hilton Armstrong New Orleans 0.409

Zach Randolph† New York 0.955
Nate Robinson New York 0.912
David Lee New York 0.844
Al Harrington† New York 0.729
Tim Thomas† New York 0.712
Jamal Crawford† New York 0.681
Chris Duhon New York 0.652
Wilson Chandler New York 0.579
Quentin Richardson New York 0.574
Jared Jeffries New York 0.449

Kevin Durant Oklahoma 0.821
Joe Smith Oklahoma 0.720
Russell Westbrook Oklahoma 0.684
Chris Wilcox† Oklahoma 0.632
Jeff Green Oklahoma 0.626
Nick Collison Oklahoma 0.589
Johan Petro† Oklahoma 0.561
Nenad Krstic Oklahoma 0.555
Earl Watson Oklahoma 0.506
Damien Wilkins Oklahoma 0.454
Kyle Weaver Oklahoma 0.427
Desmond Mason Oklahoma 0.397

Dwight Howard Orlando 1.031
Jameer Nelson Orlando 0.906
Rashard Lewis Orlando 0.723
Marcin Gortat Orlando 0.705
Hedo Turkoglu Orlando 0.673
Tony Battie Orlando 0.609
Anthony Johnson Orlando 0.546
Mickael Pietrus Orlando 0.504
Keith Bogans† Orlando 0.453
Courtney Lee Orlando 0.443
J.J. Redick Orlando 0.403

Andre Miller Philadelphia 0.895
Andre Iguodala Philadelphia 0.866
Marreese Speights Philadelphia 0.766
Elton Brand Philadelphia 0.749
Samuel Dalembert Philadelphia 0.673
Thaddeus Young Philadelphia 0.632
Lou Williams Philadelphia 0.611
Willie Green Philadelphia 0.585
Reggie Evans Philadelphia 0.447
Royal Ivey Philadelphia 0.349

Shaquille O'Neal Phoenix 0.900
Amare Stoudemire Phoenix 0.852
Steve Nash Phoenix 0.841
Leandro Barbosa Phoenix 0.802
Boris Diaw† Phoenix 0.727
Grant Hill Phoenix 0.705
Jason Richardson† Phoenix 0.666
Matt Barnes Phoenix 0.563
Louis Amundson Phoenix 0.521
Raja Bell† Phoenix 0.507
Goran Dragic Phoenix 0.474
Robin Lopez Phoenix 0.467

Brandon Roy Portland 0.907
LaMarcus Aldridge Portland 0.794
Joel Przybilla Portland 0.747
Rudy Fernandez Portland 0.730
Sergio Rodriguez Portland 0.722
Greg Oden Portland 0.681
Steve Blake Portland 0.664
Travis Outlaw Portland 0.604
Channing Frye Portland 0.537
Jerryd Bayless Portland 0.493
Nicolas Batum Portland 0.489

Brad Miller† Sacramento 0.758
John Salmons† Sacramento 0.683
Jason Thompson Sacramento 0.675
Kevin Martin Sacramento 0.657
Beno Udrih Sacramento 0.646
Bobby Jackson Sacramento 0.639
Francisco Garcia Sacramento 0.618
Spencer Hawes Sacramento 0.593
Shelden Williams Sacramento 0.589
Donte Greene Sacramento 0.529
Mikki Moore Sacramento 0.512
Bobby Brown† Sacramento 0.447

Tim Duncan San Antonio 1.093
Manu Ginobili San Antonio 0.923
Tony Parker San Antonio 0.866
Matt Bonner San Antonio 0.740
Kurt Thomas San Antonio 0.724
George Hill San Antonio 0.637
Roger Mason San Antonio 0.519
Michael Finley San Antonio 0.509
Ime Udoka San Antonio 0.507
Fabricio Oberto San Antonio 0.476
Bruce Bowen San Antonio 0.372

Chris Bosh Toronto 0.882
Jose Calderon Toronto 0.844
Kris Humphries Toronto 0.784
Jermaine O'Neal† Toronto 0.771
Jamario Moon† Toronto 0.730
Roko Ukic Toronto 0.621
Will Solomon† Toronto 0.601
Andrea Bargnani Toronto 0.562
Anthony Parker Toronto 0.562
Joey Graham Toronto 0.546
Jason Kapono Toronto 0.432

Carlos Boozer Utah 0.992
Andrei Kirilenko Utah 0.939
Paul Millsap Utah 0.912
Deron Williams Utah 0.902
Kosta Koufos Utah 0.803
Matt Harpring Utah 0.787
Mehmet Okur Utah 0.763
Brevin Knight Utah 0.719
Kyle Korver Utah 0.651
Ronnie Brewer Utah 0.637
Ronnie Price Utah 0.527
C.J. Miles Utah 0.498

Andray Blatche Washington 0.836
Antawn Jamison Washington 0.814
Caron Butler Washington 0.742
Nick Young Washington 0.710
Darius Songaila Washington 0.648
JaVale McGee Washington 0.634
Javaris Crittenton† Washington 0.616
Dominic McGuire Washington 0.533
Juan Dixon Washington 0.525
Mike James† Washington 0.485
Etan Thomas Washington 0.448
DeShawn Stevenson Washington 0.370

For complete details about how and why the Ratings work, see the User Guide:

USER GUIDE
For very detailed information about how Real Player Ratings were developed and are calculated, please consult the User Guide for Real Player Rating Reports for the NBA, for NBA Teams, and for Games



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LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD
The Nuggets are scary, but Lakers fans can breathe a sigh of relief when they think of who coaches them!

>>>I WANT TO STICK WITH THE WAY OTHER SITES PRESENT POSTS
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>>REPORT READERS: Complete freedom to rapidly choose and read what you need or want to read. The latest 40 Reports are found near the top of all three of the primary home pages (linked to just above) while Reports #41-#100 are found in three separate readers placed at various points down the page on all three primary home pages.

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TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT HOW LONG QUEST FOR THE RING HAS BEEN KEEPING IT REAL

The above shows you in two different ways the exact amount of time since The Quest for the Ring began to completely explain how the Quest is won, while having as much fun as possible at the expense of basketball pretenders and player haters. The first panel shows how long it has been in each of seven units. The second panel shows how long it has been in the more usual "remainder" way.

QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.

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The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!

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Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.

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WORD IS BOND

WELCOME TO THE QUEST--THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.

Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.


A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins

A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense

UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.

2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.

The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.

Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.

THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.

One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.

THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.

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MOST RECENT LEAGUE WIDE REAL PLAYER RATINGS

Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

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