The Spurs did the same things they did in game 3 and so did the Nuggets, so the result was the same, a Spurs win that was bigger than the score makes it look, 96-89. The Spurs now have a 3-1 stranglehold on the best of 7 series and will likely close out the Nuggets on Wednesday night in San Antonio. For alot of detail on how the Spurs win games, read my game reports for games 2 and 3, especially the report on game 3. For alot of detail on why the Nuggets were basically blown out in this series despite being a more athletic and talented team, read on here.
In sports, as in life, if you think you are going to lose, you will lose, and you will almost always lose in sports if you are playing an experienced opponent who knows exactly how to win. Let's look at five of the self defeating assumptions that the Denver Coach and possibly others in the Nugget's organization came up with. First, George Karl, at the least, and maybe others in the front office, thought the Nuggets were doomed in the playoffs many months ago. In their book, the Nuggets were simply not disciplined and experienced enough to be able to win in the playoffs this year. Second, they assumed that there was not enough time to integrate Iverson onto the team. Third, they assumed that the team lacks "mental toughness," and I am not completely sure what they have been talking about, but I will make an educated guess later in this report. Fourth, they assumed that Melo's obsession with scoring has to be eliminated at all costs. So Karl criticised the League scoring leader in public, in the newspapers, only to have to later backtrack in public when he realized what a mistake going public was. Fifth, Karl and maybe some others assumed that all of the acrobatics that the Nugget's Coach went through with the lineup and the rotations were worthless, and that the Nuggets had about the worst bench in basketball. They also assumed the Spurs were probably the most unbeatable team in the League, so that the only way to keep the series respectable would be to abandon the bench and go with Melo and A.I. for well over 40 minutes a game, while at the same time having no plan and no desire to have either one of them dominate and attempt to take over games.
Every one of these assumptions was clearly a blunder. First of all, as the Warriors are now proving against the Mavericks, it is stupid to assume in advance that you can most likely not win a best of 7 game series against a great team. Nothing is written in stone in sports, and if you can unleash the talent on your team, and you have the will to win, you can defeat with athleticism and energy a very experienced and knowledgeable team. The fact that the Warriors are beating the Mavericks just makes being stuck with Karl even more miserable than it already is, because the Warriors are playing more or less like the Nuggets were playing in the first half of the season, until George "Scrooge" Karl, focusing on the negatives only and forgetting about the positives of that style, lowered the boom and banned that style of play.
Second, the assumption that Iverson could not be fully integrated on the team was not based on any logic that I know, but it turned out to be a self-fulfilling prophesy. Iverson was fully integrated on the team only during an eight game stretch in late February and early March, when he was the point guard. Give Iverson something to do and he will do it. In this game, Iverson ended up confused as to exactly what he was to do, which is logical since the Nuggets did not really have set offensive plays to speak of, particulary ones started by someone other than Blake.
Following game 4, sports writers such as Hollinger at ESPN were left to give their opinions as to what Iverson should have done, such as getting the ball to Melo more, especially in the 4th quarter. But how quickly Hollinger and others forget that Melo was no longer supposed to be the go-to guy under Karl's ruinous plans. In fact, Iverson was doing exactly what Karl wanted, which was to try to score in isolation as much as possible. In the end, Karl didn't trust anyone on his team to score, except for Iverson and Melo, and I guess he figured: why bother to develop a good set of offensive plays when no one except A.I. and Melo can score?
Neither the Nuggets nor Iverson magically played better immediately when Iverson was starting at the point at the end of the winter, but since this was just one of George Karl's many little experiments and was not allowed to continue long enough to produce real results, we will never know whether it would have produced big results or not, unless it is tried again next season. Steve Blake is a George Karl kind of player, to say the least. He's as steady and dependable as they come, he works hard in practice, understands the basics of the game well, does exactly what he is instructed to do by the coaches, and is as unselfish as you can get. He is the kind of player that makes life easy on a coach. Unfortunately, he is about the last kind of player you want facing the mighty San Antonio Spurs in the playoffs. The Spurs made mincemeat of Blake in game 4, stealing the ball from him 4 times and pressuring him to miss every one of his 6 shots except for one. Blake who had 2 points, 4 assists and the 4 turnovers in 35 minutes, was utterly demolished by the Spurs. George Karl can talk about mental toughness, a professional team, and not quitting all he wants, but there is, in the end, no excuse for having Blake as a 35 minute starter against the Spurs, when there was the obvious alternative of having A.I. play the point and J.R. and Kleiza share the shooting guard spot.
With regard to the third mistake, to me, that mental toughness thing sounds like more of a coaching thing than a player thing, but I will try my best here. The term brings to mind whether you can make quick decisions based on knowledge, and make those decisions in tough situations. So with players, the mental toughness thing would be whether they can execute in high pressure situations or not. If they know what to do and do it, then they are mentally tough. However, if they don't know what to do, but are ready to do what they think is the right thing to do, then they still would be "mentally tough," but not ready to play the Spurs, because they don't know what to do to beat them. In other words, mental toughness sounds like it is, at best, half of what is needed. So why does George Karl use the term "mental toughness" over and over again? I don't know, because it's only a small part of what is needed, and harping on that without talking about and adding in the knowledge, strategy, and tactics that should go with that seems very lame. The strategies and tactics are the cake and the mental toughness is the icing.
Fourth, in response to his Coach's worry that he was too obsessed with scoring and was not doing enough of the other things, Melo did everything he was instructed to do and look where it got him. Nowhere. He's in the same boat as the other years, a very quick first round exit. But if Denver's objective was to make Melo seem mature and ready to contribute and fit in well on another team, they could not have done a better job.
Melo ramped down his shooting and often looked to pass the ball to someone who looked open, at least at the moment he passed it anyway. He rebounded more, played some defense, went after some steals and loose balls, and brought on his 3-point shot very late in the season to replace some of the 3-point shooting that J.R. was making earlier in the season.
As I warned several weeks ago, Melo was not going to be available at crunch time under the George Karl approach and, sure enough, he was not available to dominate in the 4th quarter in this game. In the 4th, Melo made a jumper, missed a jumper and a three, made an alley-oop dunk, and was blocked by Bowen. In accordance with instructions, Melo was sharing the wealth with A.I., Blake and the bench rusty J.R. Smith, but without the kinds of set plays and rhythm that might have made sense out of that approach. Karl removed Melo as the dominant option on offense, but did not fully construct an offense to utilize the combination of players he wanted to use, which was A.I., Melo, Nene, Camby, and Blake at point guard.
Melo, unlike Iverson, doesn't understand that some coaches don't really know what they are doing in some respects. Yet.
I have described the fifth big mistake, deciding that the bench is worthless in advance, many times in prior game reports, so I am not going to repeat myself here. I just want to remind folks that the flip side of not playing your bench much is that your starters have to play with very few breathers, which will usually leave them more tired than the other team's stars in crunch time. Sure enough, many who saw the game were in agreement that A.I. and Melo looked pretty weary when the game was on the line in the 4th quarter, compared with Parker and Duncan.
Why would you play anyone over 40 minutes but not want them to try to dominate a game? It's either one or the other, isn't it? If you don't want a player to try to dominate a game, you don't play him for 40 or 45 minutes!
Meanwhile, Don Nelson, Coach of the Warriors, told Baron Davis to dominate and, by golly, Baron Davis is dominating. Nelson is playing Davis, Stephen Jackson, and Jason Richardson for more than 40 minutes a game, but he makes room for 4 players in the 20's for minutes and Al Harrington's minutes are in the teens. So he has 8 players in the active rotation, whereas the Nuggets have had basically 7 players in the active rotation. And the Nugget's 7th man keeps changing, which is a killer. Just as or more importantly, Nelson has not tried to limit or contain how his players like to play, let alone tried to get them to play like the team that is supposedly so much better than they are. As a result, the Warriors are in fact playing the way they want to, which is most of the time the best way to play. The Warriors could not care less about trying to copy how the Mavericks play, whereas Karl has the Nuggets engaged in a ridiculous effort to play more like the Spurs and less like the Nuggets played during the very successful early days of this season.
I was just listening to Denver sports radio, and they warned their listeners that they would look down on anyone who called in and tried to blame the Nuggets flame-out on the Coach. The sportscaster claimed that anyone who thinks that way is being too simplistic. Well, if you can explain the mistakes that the coach has made in detail, and you don't see other coaches doing those things, then I would hardly call it too simplistic to blame the Coach. The real reason they don't want callers to blame the Coach on the radio is that they know that George Karl is untouchable, and will be coaching the Nuggets next year come hell or high water. And their station is owned by "The Lincoln Financial Group," which sounds like the kind of company that would be closely associated with the real estate and sports companies run by the very rich owner of the Nuggets.
The owner of the Nuggets, Stanley Kroenke, is a successful business person, and he is not known for second guessing his decisions. His decision was to give a multi-year contract to George Karl, and Kroenke is not a basketball expert per se. So we are most likely stuck with Karl for at least another season, and likely for several more seasons, until Karl himself puts himself and the Nuggets out of their misery and retires. The Denver front office, which takes it's cues from the owner, would probably not be able to persuade Kroenke to fire Karl unless the Nuggets were to become a major losing team. When the Nuggets were 35-36 after they were blown out in Phoenix with the starters playing almost all of the minutes, I was half expecting that they would miss the playoffs and finish with a losing record and that, with some luck, Karl might be fired, leading to a fresh opportunity for a huge season for 2007-08. But then the talented Nuggets caught a bunch of teams with injuries, and/or slumping, and/or with a poor coach or two, and won 10 of their last 11 games, which destroyed any chance for Karl to be fired this year. I am afraid we are stuck with him, just as much as Mr. Karl will forever be stuck with a goose egg next to his name in the number of titles won chart.
There is a a pro football coach who, like Karl, wins often in the regular season, only to inevitably lose in the playoffs because his team is playing too conservatively or, in other words, playing not to lose instead of playing to win. His name is Marty Schottenheimer. He is now a former pro football coach, because the feisty owner of the San Diego Chargers, who is probably even more rich than the owner of the Denver Nuggets, bought out Schottenheimer's contract after Schottenheimer's Chargers bowed out in this past season's NFL playoffs in the first round, even though they were one of the 2 or 3 most athletic and talented teams in football and were projected to go to and probably win the Super Bowl. Getting rid of Schottenheimer cost the Charger's owner 4 million dollars, but winning or at least getting to the Super Bowl is so important to that guy that he was willing to pay that price to bring in a new coach who is not so timid and dogmatic. (The Chargers have Norv Turner as their head coach now, who is about as different from Schottenheimer as you can get.)
The Nuggets might win game 5, because they are loaded with talent, but I no longer see how they can win this series unless there is a miracle. So, most likely, all that is left this season for fans of the real Denver Nuggets style is to root for the Golden State Warriors, or the Phoenix Suns if you want to be a snob about it.
Najera played 15 minutes and was 3/5 and 0/1 on 3's for 6 points, and he had 3 rebounds and 1 steal.
Kleiza played 17 minutes and was 0/2 and 0/1 on 3's for 0 points, and he had 3 rebounds and 1 assist. Although Kleiza won about 4 games for the Nuggets this year, he has been largely a non-factor in the series due to limited minutes, due to not having the green light to take alot of 3-pointers, and due to the lack of set offensive plays that involve him.
Blake played 35 minutes and was 1/6 and 0/2 on 3's for 2 points, and he had 4 assists and 3 rebounds.
J.R. Smith played 14 minutes and was 1/5 and 0/4 on 3's for 2 points, and he had 2 assists, 2 steals, and 2 rebounds. The stranglehold that was put on Smith's minutes since the all-star break led to a huge waste of his talent and abilites in this series. Smith's post all-star break playing time was starved just enough to render him unable to resurrect, in brief minutes in this series, the big scoring punch he provided in November and December. The Nuggets were 2 of 16 from beyond the arc in this game, with only Melo connecting from there, while the Spurs were 8 of 25.
Nene played 40 minutes and was 7/9 and 4/5 from the line for 18 points, and he had 7 rebounds, 3 assists, and 1 steal.
Camby played 35 minutes and was 5/8 for 10 points, and he had 17 rebounds, 4 blocks, and 3 assists.
A.I. played 45 minutes, virtually the whole game, and was 9/15, 0/3 on 3's, and 4/5 from the line for 22 points, and he had 7 assists and 1 steal.
Carmelo Anthony played 38 minutes and was 11/18, 2/5 on 3's, and 5/6 from the line for 29 points, and he had 6 rebounds and 3 assists.
The next game, which will be game 5 of the series, will be in San Antonio Wednesday, May 2 at 6 pm Mountain Daylight Time.
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REPORTS--#21 THROUGH #40
Tuesday, May 1, 2007
Sunday, April 29, 2007
Nuggets Fall in all Spur's Traps, Lose 96-91
The Spurs defeated the Nuggets in Denver 96-91, to take a 2 games to 1 lead in the best of 7 playoff series. The second game in Denver will be Monday, and the Nuggets can earn a third game in Denver, which would be game 6 in the series, simply by winning game 4 of the series Monday night, so all is not lost just yet.
I am going to tell you how the Spurs shut down the Nuggets for most of the game and had a lock on the game the whole way through, unless J.R. Smith or Kleiza had been on the court long enough and had been able to hit some threes. So if you want to know why the Spurs won over the more talented Nuggets, and why the Nuggets could not match what the Warriors are doing against the Mavericks, read on. Because this was a textbook game on how the Spurs win against more athletic and talented teams, and all of their strategies were used almost perfectly in this game. I know exactly what those strategies are. The Spurs treat basketball almost as if it were a chess game, where if you are experienced and know all the right moves and the right positions for your players (or chess pieces if it's chess) you win the game, even if your younger opponent is actually more talented than you are.
The first thing you have to understand is that the Spurs enjoy a big basketball intelligence advantage, not only against the Nuggets, but against every team in the League that I can think of, with the possible exception of Jeff Van Gundy's Houston Rockets. The Spurs in general and their Coach, Greg Popovich, in particular, understand the game inside and out, so they play in such a way as to make their winning likely regardless of exactly how well they are shooting. Not only do they take full advantage of the rules, they take full advantage of every aspect of the game, including such aspects as clock management, timeout management, defensive rotations, offensive set plays, optimum player minute allocation, and so on and so forth.
The most important thing they do, the thing that sets the stage for everything else, is that they play a physical, harassing defense, which accomplishes alot of objectives at once. First, it forces inside misses. In game 2, in San Antonio, the Nuggets missed a staggering 21 of 37 layups. In this game, they missed 7 of 17 layups, which is at least 3 too many. The Spurs missed only 3 of 16 layups. So you have an 8 point Spurs advantage just on the layups alone.
The Spurs have their second string players commit as many of the fouls as possible, so that they usually avoid foul trouble for most of their starters, as they did tonight.
When they physically contest a layup, the Spurs may or may not commit a foul, but more often then not, they do. Only a certain percentage of those fouls is going to be called a foul by the refs, though. The refs are going to occasionally miss contact, and they are occasionally going to "let 'em play" with some contact allowed. When a foul is called, the Spurs know that their opponent is almost always going to miss between 1/5 and 1/3 of all free throws. So by initiating heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs are able to squeeze out some stops where no foul was called even though there was a foul, and then they squeeze out a few more points from the other team's total from missed free throws.
In this game, there was a total of 20 fouls called against the Spurs, and 16 against the Nuggets. But a much greater percentage of the Spurs fouls were shooting fouls, which is exactly what the Spurs want. The Nuggets had more than twice as many free throws as the Spurs did. The Nuggets were 22 of 30 from the foul line and the Spurs were 13 of 14 from the line. But the apparent 9 point advantage for the Nuggets is not really an advantage, if the free throws are mostly replacing shots that would have gone in had the Spurs not disrupted them.
Actually there were probably 13 or 14 shots prevented by the Spurs, not 15. The non-shooting foul free throws were technicals or "plus 1's," where the shot counts and a foul is called. Have you noticed that neither Melo, A.I., Nene, nor any other Nugget is getting any plus 1's to speak of in this series?. That's because the Spurs are so intelligent, that they can usually judge in an instant whether a given shot is going to go in or not if they do not foul. They won't foul if they know the shot is not likely to go in, which they determine based on instinct, but they will frequently foul if they know by instinct that the shot is likely to go in. They avoid the plus 1's by making a decisiion instantly on whether to disrupt the shot, and then, when they foul, by making sure that their foul is hard enough to prevent the ball from going in.
Aside from the physical stops and the free throw math that works out in their favor, the Spurs will usually get more blocks from playing this way than their opponent. Ironically, the Nuggets have the best blocker in the NBA, Marcus Camby. But Camby's philosophy is the opposite of the Spurs; he tries to avoid fouling his man, even at the cost of surrendering shots. Camby probably does not understand how fouling to disrupt can work out in your favor, as long as your teammates are on the same page for that strategy. So in this game, you had the best blocker in the NBA playing for the Nuggets, but he picks and chooses his blocks carefully, whereas the Spurs are using the all-out smother strategy in the paint, so that some of the Spur's blocks are actually fouls that were not called. The Spurs buried the Nuggets in blocks 9-4, with Duncan getting 5 blocks and the playoff master Robert Horry getting 3. For the Nuggets, Camby made 2 blocks, Nene made 1, and J.R. Smith made 1.
The overall damage report from the Spurs hounding and roughing up in and near the paint is that the Spurs ended up scoring more points in the paint, but the Nuggets needed alot more points in the paint than the Spurs did. The Nuggets did not have the jump shooting and especially the perimeter jump shooting capability the Spurs had, because there was a big drop-off in jump shooting on the Nuggets that George Karl played, beyond A.I. and Melo. Camby did his best during the season to develop a jump shot, but it did not fully pan out. When the dust had settled, the Spurs had scored 38 points in the paint, while the Nuggets had scored 36 points in the paint, and the 9 more free throw points that the Nuggets had was only about half as many as were needed.
Another result which shows the damage done by the Spurs to the Nuggets is that the Nuggets had just 19 assists, not enough for a team that relied on quick offense to get the vast majority of their wins during the season. Blake had 7 assists, Iverson was held to just 4 assists, Nene had 3, and Melo and Camby had 2 each.
When the Spurs use heavy contact in the paint, they slow down the game so that their opponent can not get many fast breaks. They want their opponent slowed down and contained. Tim Duncan likes to use the expression "keep everything in front," meaning that the Spurs want to always have their backs to the basket, and have the players they are covering in front of them. By heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs slow down the other team, disrupt it's flow, and foul up it's set plays. The Nuggets do not have many set plays anyway, and the flow they had early in the season has been mostly destroyed by the heavy emphasis on defense in the last two months. So in the case of the Nuggets, sad to say, there wasn't that much for the Spurs to disrupt.
With the foundation of heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs then branch out and use a whole lot of other strategies to make sure they win, no matter who they are playing. By frustrating their opponent first and foremost in the paint, and to a lessor extent outside it, the Spurs can then catch guards off guard, and get more steals than the other team. In this game, the Spurs decimated the Nuggets in steals, 7-3. To the Spurs, stealing the ball is an important team objective, especially in the playoffs. Incredibly, 5 different Spurs had a steal and Robert Horry, the ultimate win in the playoffs veteran, had two steals. Meanwhile, a team like the Nuggets usually gets steals only by chance and in desperate situations late in the game.
Once the flow of their opponent is disrupted and the Spurs have more steals, they will have fewer turnovers overall than their opponent most of the time. The Nuggets, to their credit, kept their overall turnover count within reason, as they at least respected the fundamentals of basketball and did not go crazy trying to do the impossible. But the Spurs inevitably won the turnover battle, 14-11. It almost goes without saying that the Spurs almost never lose the turnover battle in an early playoff series, and they almost never have more turnovers than the average for an NBA game, which is about 14 1/2. Only 4 teams had fewer turnovers than the Spurs did this season, including the two teams that were, at the beginning of the playoffs, the popular favorites to meet in this years Championship series, the Pistions and the Mavericks. The only other two teams slightly more careful with possessions than the Spurs were the Raptors and, surprisingly, the Wizards.
Since the Spurs force so many misses, the team they are playing will usually out rebound them, but this is meaningless and the Spurs know it, so they don't worry too much about rebounding per se.
Now I will reveal the real secret of winning for a team like the Spurs. Almost everything they do, starting with the physical contact, and including all the fouling, stealing, blocking, attention to detail with the ball, and good set plays on offense, lead to more shots on goal for them. This is the real secret of defensive teams like the Spurs. What they do does not directly give them a likely win, but it indirectly makes their winning likely, because they end up with many more shots on goal than the other team has.
And another direct advantage from fouling is that when a shooting foul is called, the possession is over, so there are almost never second chance 3-pointers made on the Spurs, as you have been seeing the Spurs make on the Nuggets a few times in this series.
So the net result of all of the Spurs non-scoring activities was that they had 86 shots on goal versus just 77 for the Nuggets. With that kind of an advantage, the Spurs can shoot worse than the other team and still win the game. In this game, both squads had the same exact shooting percentage, 43%. The Spurs made 37 of 85 shots, while the Nuggets made 33 of 77 of theirs.
Opposing teams fall right into the traps when they go all out to try to play better defense to "match up" better with the Spurs. The correct strategy is to try to defeat the Spur's strategy by having a good passing game which gets the ball again and again to the open man who has the best chance of making the shot. That is more difficult to do than it sounds, but the Warriors are doing it right now as they seek to shock the Mavs. If you try to copy the Spurs, or become as "mentally tough as them," as George Karl wants to do, you lose almost for sure. Yes, the Spurs are "mentally tough," but, more importantly, they are also mentally loaded with knowledge on how to put a stranglehold on a basketball game.
On offense, the Spurs rely on set offensive plays and on three point shooting more than anything else. In a classic West Conference throwdown, the Spurs buried the Nuggets in threes in this game. They made 9 of 21 of them, for a percentage of 42.9%, whereas the Nuggets made only 3 of 12, for a percentage of 25%. In many other game reports, I have warned that George Karl, by not giving his good 3-point shooters from the bench enough playing time, was setting the Nuggets up for inevitable disaster.
I have been all over Mr. Karl since the all-star break for this and other transgressions, so you need only read any number of other game reports to find out about the faults of George Karl. I am not going to review the Karl stuff here, except that I will say that the absence of Kleiza in this game was even more of a crime than the absence of J.R. Smith in other regular season and playoff games was. Kleiza played for only 5 minutes, leaving the Nuggets basically defenseless to the onslaught of 3-pointers from the Spurs. For the Nuggets, Melo made a nice 2 of 3 threes, Blake made 1 of 3, but both Iverson and the rusty from bench sitting J.R. Smith were 0 for 3 from long range, and that sealed the deal for San Antonio.
The bottom line is that the Spurs treat basketball as if it were a science instead of a game. If you mix the right ingredients in the right way, you get a win, no matter which particular team you are playing. And the talented but youthful Nuggets were led to the slaughter by a Coach who means well but can not understand that the Nuggets only way to win is to hit shots that are not covered in and to play players who are not mentioned in the Spur's textbook.
You know, Greg Popovich looks more like a college professor than a former basketball player. And his team showed tonight that it is better to play like a bunch of scrooges than it is to have a scrooge for a head coach.
Najera played 20 minutes and was 0/2 for 0 points, and he had 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal.
Kleiza played 5 minutes, did not take a shot, and had 1 rebound. I kid you not.
Blake played 36 minutes and was 3/6 and 1/3 on 3's for 7 points, and he had 7 assists and 1 rebound.
J.R. Smith played 16 minutes and was 4/10, 0/3 on 3's, and 4/4 from the line for 12 points, and he had 3 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block.
Nene played 37 minutes and was 7/11 and 4/4 from the line for 18 points, and he had 7 rebounds, 3 assists, and a block.
Marcus Camby played 38 minutes and was 2/7 and 2/2 from the line for 6 points, and he had 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, and 2 assists.
A.I. played 45 minutes out of 48, or virtually the whole game, and was 7/20, 0/3 on 3's, and 6/9 from the line for 20 points, and he had 4 assists and 2 rebounds. The Spurs are so stingy that even one of the best all time playoff thiefs, Iverson, has not been able to get alot of steals in this series yet. He made 1 steal in game 1, 3 steals in game 2, and no steals in this game.
Melo played 44 minutes out of 48, or virtually the whole game, and was 10/21, 2/3 on 3's, and a disappointing 6/11 from the line for 28 points, and he also had 12 rebounds and 2 assists. He made up for missing a few free throws by making the three-pointers, a job that was left to J.R. Smith in the good old days early in the season. On the other hand, Melo has been known to be perfect from the line, and had he hit every free throw, it might have been just enough for overtime. But let's face it, overtime would only have prolonged the misery.
The next game, which will be game 4 of the series, will be Monday, April 30 in Denver at 7 pm Mountain Daylight Time.
I am going to tell you how the Spurs shut down the Nuggets for most of the game and had a lock on the game the whole way through, unless J.R. Smith or Kleiza had been on the court long enough and had been able to hit some threes. So if you want to know why the Spurs won over the more talented Nuggets, and why the Nuggets could not match what the Warriors are doing against the Mavericks, read on. Because this was a textbook game on how the Spurs win against more athletic and talented teams, and all of their strategies were used almost perfectly in this game. I know exactly what those strategies are. The Spurs treat basketball almost as if it were a chess game, where if you are experienced and know all the right moves and the right positions for your players (or chess pieces if it's chess) you win the game, even if your younger opponent is actually more talented than you are.
The first thing you have to understand is that the Spurs enjoy a big basketball intelligence advantage, not only against the Nuggets, but against every team in the League that I can think of, with the possible exception of Jeff Van Gundy's Houston Rockets. The Spurs in general and their Coach, Greg Popovich, in particular, understand the game inside and out, so they play in such a way as to make their winning likely regardless of exactly how well they are shooting. Not only do they take full advantage of the rules, they take full advantage of every aspect of the game, including such aspects as clock management, timeout management, defensive rotations, offensive set plays, optimum player minute allocation, and so on and so forth.
The most important thing they do, the thing that sets the stage for everything else, is that they play a physical, harassing defense, which accomplishes alot of objectives at once. First, it forces inside misses. In game 2, in San Antonio, the Nuggets missed a staggering 21 of 37 layups. In this game, they missed 7 of 17 layups, which is at least 3 too many. The Spurs missed only 3 of 16 layups. So you have an 8 point Spurs advantage just on the layups alone.
The Spurs have their second string players commit as many of the fouls as possible, so that they usually avoid foul trouble for most of their starters, as they did tonight.
When they physically contest a layup, the Spurs may or may not commit a foul, but more often then not, they do. Only a certain percentage of those fouls is going to be called a foul by the refs, though. The refs are going to occasionally miss contact, and they are occasionally going to "let 'em play" with some contact allowed. When a foul is called, the Spurs know that their opponent is almost always going to miss between 1/5 and 1/3 of all free throws. So by initiating heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs are able to squeeze out some stops where no foul was called even though there was a foul, and then they squeeze out a few more points from the other team's total from missed free throws.
In this game, there was a total of 20 fouls called against the Spurs, and 16 against the Nuggets. But a much greater percentage of the Spurs fouls were shooting fouls, which is exactly what the Spurs want. The Nuggets had more than twice as many free throws as the Spurs did. The Nuggets were 22 of 30 from the foul line and the Spurs were 13 of 14 from the line. But the apparent 9 point advantage for the Nuggets is not really an advantage, if the free throws are mostly replacing shots that would have gone in had the Spurs not disrupted them.
Actually there were probably 13 or 14 shots prevented by the Spurs, not 15. The non-shooting foul free throws were technicals or "plus 1's," where the shot counts and a foul is called. Have you noticed that neither Melo, A.I., Nene, nor any other Nugget is getting any plus 1's to speak of in this series?. That's because the Spurs are so intelligent, that they can usually judge in an instant whether a given shot is going to go in or not if they do not foul. They won't foul if they know the shot is not likely to go in, which they determine based on instinct, but they will frequently foul if they know by instinct that the shot is likely to go in. They avoid the plus 1's by making a decisiion instantly on whether to disrupt the shot, and then, when they foul, by making sure that their foul is hard enough to prevent the ball from going in.
Aside from the physical stops and the free throw math that works out in their favor, the Spurs will usually get more blocks from playing this way than their opponent. Ironically, the Nuggets have the best blocker in the NBA, Marcus Camby. But Camby's philosophy is the opposite of the Spurs; he tries to avoid fouling his man, even at the cost of surrendering shots. Camby probably does not understand how fouling to disrupt can work out in your favor, as long as your teammates are on the same page for that strategy. So in this game, you had the best blocker in the NBA playing for the Nuggets, but he picks and chooses his blocks carefully, whereas the Spurs are using the all-out smother strategy in the paint, so that some of the Spur's blocks are actually fouls that were not called. The Spurs buried the Nuggets in blocks 9-4, with Duncan getting 5 blocks and the playoff master Robert Horry getting 3. For the Nuggets, Camby made 2 blocks, Nene made 1, and J.R. Smith made 1.
The overall damage report from the Spurs hounding and roughing up in and near the paint is that the Spurs ended up scoring more points in the paint, but the Nuggets needed alot more points in the paint than the Spurs did. The Nuggets did not have the jump shooting and especially the perimeter jump shooting capability the Spurs had, because there was a big drop-off in jump shooting on the Nuggets that George Karl played, beyond A.I. and Melo. Camby did his best during the season to develop a jump shot, but it did not fully pan out. When the dust had settled, the Spurs had scored 38 points in the paint, while the Nuggets had scored 36 points in the paint, and the 9 more free throw points that the Nuggets had was only about half as many as were needed.
Another result which shows the damage done by the Spurs to the Nuggets is that the Nuggets had just 19 assists, not enough for a team that relied on quick offense to get the vast majority of their wins during the season. Blake had 7 assists, Iverson was held to just 4 assists, Nene had 3, and Melo and Camby had 2 each.
When the Spurs use heavy contact in the paint, they slow down the game so that their opponent can not get many fast breaks. They want their opponent slowed down and contained. Tim Duncan likes to use the expression "keep everything in front," meaning that the Spurs want to always have their backs to the basket, and have the players they are covering in front of them. By heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs slow down the other team, disrupt it's flow, and foul up it's set plays. The Nuggets do not have many set plays anyway, and the flow they had early in the season has been mostly destroyed by the heavy emphasis on defense in the last two months. So in the case of the Nuggets, sad to say, there wasn't that much for the Spurs to disrupt.
With the foundation of heavy contact in the paint, the Spurs then branch out and use a whole lot of other strategies to make sure they win, no matter who they are playing. By frustrating their opponent first and foremost in the paint, and to a lessor extent outside it, the Spurs can then catch guards off guard, and get more steals than the other team. In this game, the Spurs decimated the Nuggets in steals, 7-3. To the Spurs, stealing the ball is an important team objective, especially in the playoffs. Incredibly, 5 different Spurs had a steal and Robert Horry, the ultimate win in the playoffs veteran, had two steals. Meanwhile, a team like the Nuggets usually gets steals only by chance and in desperate situations late in the game.
Once the flow of their opponent is disrupted and the Spurs have more steals, they will have fewer turnovers overall than their opponent most of the time. The Nuggets, to their credit, kept their overall turnover count within reason, as they at least respected the fundamentals of basketball and did not go crazy trying to do the impossible. But the Spurs inevitably won the turnover battle, 14-11. It almost goes without saying that the Spurs almost never lose the turnover battle in an early playoff series, and they almost never have more turnovers than the average for an NBA game, which is about 14 1/2. Only 4 teams had fewer turnovers than the Spurs did this season, including the two teams that were, at the beginning of the playoffs, the popular favorites to meet in this years Championship series, the Pistions and the Mavericks. The only other two teams slightly more careful with possessions than the Spurs were the Raptors and, surprisingly, the Wizards.
Since the Spurs force so many misses, the team they are playing will usually out rebound them, but this is meaningless and the Spurs know it, so they don't worry too much about rebounding per se.
Now I will reveal the real secret of winning for a team like the Spurs. Almost everything they do, starting with the physical contact, and including all the fouling, stealing, blocking, attention to detail with the ball, and good set plays on offense, lead to more shots on goal for them. This is the real secret of defensive teams like the Spurs. What they do does not directly give them a likely win, but it indirectly makes their winning likely, because they end up with many more shots on goal than the other team has.
And another direct advantage from fouling is that when a shooting foul is called, the possession is over, so there are almost never second chance 3-pointers made on the Spurs, as you have been seeing the Spurs make on the Nuggets a few times in this series.
So the net result of all of the Spurs non-scoring activities was that they had 86 shots on goal versus just 77 for the Nuggets. With that kind of an advantage, the Spurs can shoot worse than the other team and still win the game. In this game, both squads had the same exact shooting percentage, 43%. The Spurs made 37 of 85 shots, while the Nuggets made 33 of 77 of theirs.
Opposing teams fall right into the traps when they go all out to try to play better defense to "match up" better with the Spurs. The correct strategy is to try to defeat the Spur's strategy by having a good passing game which gets the ball again and again to the open man who has the best chance of making the shot. That is more difficult to do than it sounds, but the Warriors are doing it right now as they seek to shock the Mavs. If you try to copy the Spurs, or become as "mentally tough as them," as George Karl wants to do, you lose almost for sure. Yes, the Spurs are "mentally tough," but, more importantly, they are also mentally loaded with knowledge on how to put a stranglehold on a basketball game.
On offense, the Spurs rely on set offensive plays and on three point shooting more than anything else. In a classic West Conference throwdown, the Spurs buried the Nuggets in threes in this game. They made 9 of 21 of them, for a percentage of 42.9%, whereas the Nuggets made only 3 of 12, for a percentage of 25%. In many other game reports, I have warned that George Karl, by not giving his good 3-point shooters from the bench enough playing time, was setting the Nuggets up for inevitable disaster.
I have been all over Mr. Karl since the all-star break for this and other transgressions, so you need only read any number of other game reports to find out about the faults of George Karl. I am not going to review the Karl stuff here, except that I will say that the absence of Kleiza in this game was even more of a crime than the absence of J.R. Smith in other regular season and playoff games was. Kleiza played for only 5 minutes, leaving the Nuggets basically defenseless to the onslaught of 3-pointers from the Spurs. For the Nuggets, Melo made a nice 2 of 3 threes, Blake made 1 of 3, but both Iverson and the rusty from bench sitting J.R. Smith were 0 for 3 from long range, and that sealed the deal for San Antonio.
The bottom line is that the Spurs treat basketball as if it were a science instead of a game. If you mix the right ingredients in the right way, you get a win, no matter which particular team you are playing. And the talented but youthful Nuggets were led to the slaughter by a Coach who means well but can not understand that the Nuggets only way to win is to hit shots that are not covered in and to play players who are not mentioned in the Spur's textbook.
You know, Greg Popovich looks more like a college professor than a former basketball player. And his team showed tonight that it is better to play like a bunch of scrooges than it is to have a scrooge for a head coach.
Najera played 20 minutes and was 0/2 for 0 points, and he had 10 rebounds, 1 assist, and 1 steal.
Kleiza played 5 minutes, did not take a shot, and had 1 rebound. I kid you not.
Blake played 36 minutes and was 3/6 and 1/3 on 3's for 7 points, and he had 7 assists and 1 rebound.
J.R. Smith played 16 minutes and was 4/10, 0/3 on 3's, and 4/4 from the line for 12 points, and he had 3 rebounds, 2 steals, and a block.
Nene played 37 minutes and was 7/11 and 4/4 from the line for 18 points, and he had 7 rebounds, 3 assists, and a block.
Marcus Camby played 38 minutes and was 2/7 and 2/2 from the line for 6 points, and he had 10 rebounds, 2 blocks, and 2 assists.
A.I. played 45 minutes out of 48, or virtually the whole game, and was 7/20, 0/3 on 3's, and 6/9 from the line for 20 points, and he had 4 assists and 2 rebounds. The Spurs are so stingy that even one of the best all time playoff thiefs, Iverson, has not been able to get alot of steals in this series yet. He made 1 steal in game 1, 3 steals in game 2, and no steals in this game.
Melo played 44 minutes out of 48, or virtually the whole game, and was 10/21, 2/3 on 3's, and a disappointing 6/11 from the line for 28 points, and he also had 12 rebounds and 2 assists. He made up for missing a few free throws by making the three-pointers, a job that was left to J.R. Smith in the good old days early in the season. On the other hand, Melo has been known to be perfect from the line, and had he hit every free throw, it might have been just enough for overtime. But let's face it, overtime would only have prolonged the misery.
The next game, which will be game 4 of the series, will be Monday, April 30 in Denver at 7 pm Mountain Daylight Time.
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The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!
WE NEED A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME
Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.
The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!
WE NEED A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME
Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.
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WELCOME TO THE QUEST--THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.
2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.
The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.
Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.
THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.
One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.
THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.
2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.
The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.
Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.
THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.
One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.
THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.
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VIDEOS
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MOST RECENT LEAGUE WIDE REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
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