From ESPN, here is the Allen Iverson 2006-07 evaluation and the 2007-08 outlook. Look for a Nuggets 1 response, probably within 24 hours.
ALLEN IVERSON ESPN EVALUATION & OUTLOOK
2006-07 season: Iverson showed unusual restraint immediately after joining the Nuggets. The Answer averaged a career-low 18.9 field-goal attempts per game after the trade, nearly six a game less than he was taking in Philly, but his assist numbers stayed the same. Then the playoffs started and all that went out the window. Iverson overdribbled into one contested jumper after another, taking more than 20 shots in every game but making only 36.8 percent as the Spurs knocked out Denver in five games.
One hopes that Iverson will learn from this. In Philadelphia he developed the instinct to do it himself when things got tough, because he sure as heck wasn't getting much help from other sources. But on this team, he's the No. 2 threat, and all those one-on-five forays were just keeping the ball out of Carmelo Anthony's hands.
Despite taking markedly fewer shots in Denver, he didn't make a higher percentage -- which is odd, since removing all the high-difficulty hoists at the end of the clock that he took in Philly should have had a salutary effect on his shooting percentage.
Iverson turned 31 before last season, and his results indicated he may be starting to slip. Iverson's player efficiency rating dropped more than six points from the previous season, one of the biggest dips in the league, and although some of that could be expected based on the jump in PER he'd had a year earlier, nobody foresaw a drop of that magnitude. Only six players saw their mark drop more than Iverson, and none were anywhere near his universe as a player.
The last three star guards to have a drop of his magnitude were Kevin Johnson in 1997-98, Penny Hardaway in 1997-98, and Stephon Marbury in 2005-06. None of them bounced back, so this may be the new normal for Iverson. If so, that's still a heck of a player, but he'll need to tone it down a lot offensively and defer to Anthony more regularly.
Scouting report: Iverson is one of the quickest and fastest players to play the game, something that allows him to penetrate defenses almost at will. The book is to force him to go left, where he's more likely to pull up for jumpers rather than go all the way to the basket and draw fouls or make layups. The crackdown on carrying last season hurt him a bit, but he remains as good as anyone at creating offense at the end of the shot clock.
Iverson isn't nearly as good from outside as he is on the drive, and he still tends to shoot too many 3-pointers. He's improved as a passer in recent seasons though, and it's possible he'll see as much or more time at the point as he does at shooting guard.
Defensively, Iverson is great in the passing lanes but his tendency to gamble often compromises the defense. Despite his quickness he's a mediocre on-ball defender and rarely gets in good help position. His main trick is to try to draw push-off calls by snapping his head back after brushing arms with an opponent, but he only gets the whistle about once very three flops (and no, I didn't track this stat specifically, but thanks for asking).
2007-08 outlook: Based on what's happened to other quick guard in their 30s, and on how Iverson's numbers decline a year ago, it's quite possible we're looking at a new phase in his career. He's still a deadly scorer and a terror in transition, but he's more likely to end up with a PER in the high teens and a scoring average in the low 20s. The key is whether he's ready to make that adjustment -- the way he handled the regular season says yes, but his playoff performance indicates it might be a fight.
Most similar at age: Tim Hardaway
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REPORTS--#21 THROUGH #40
Saturday, October 13, 2007
Thursday, October 11, 2007
ESPN Remains Confused About Carmelo Anthony
When you read the first paragraph of Hollinger's ESPN Melo evaluation, you start to think you are wasting your time, because it doesn't make much sense. Hollinger makes it seem like Melo's game fell apart just because Iverson was on the team when he came back from the long suspension. Melo lost "4 points a game and 1/3 of his assists". Well, when you are scoring 30 plus points a game, dropping 4 a game is hardly anything to hit the panic button about, or anything to base a sarcastic paragraph on. A small forward dropping 1/3 of his assists depends on the circumstances. Allen Iverson, the ultimate combo guard, is just the circumstance where you would expect the front court to ramp up it's rebounding and post play, and to ramp down the assisting some.
Worse then this, Hollinger, who, translated, calls Melo a pathetic bitch for the near brawl at the Garden last December, reveals his real feelings about the young Team USA superstar, that he is lacking everything it takes to be a true, complete athlete. Or, in a word, Hollinger, like so many other experienced basketball analysts, is hostile toward the Nugget's star. Unfortunately for Hollinger and others who would pick on Melo for his role in the near brawl, they are using the wrong evidence to advance their near or actual hostility and their doubts. Melo ran away after the punch so that he would not be suspended for the entire remainder of the 2006-07 season. Had Melo not run away, but continued to fight the Knicks, who, let's face it, knew full well at the time that they were also rans for the season as a whole, and had almost nothing to lose by provoking the upstart Nuggets, Hollinger would not have been able to make his other incorrect criticism of Melo, the one regarding the fall-off, because Melo simply would not have played at all.
Let me give an inside word of advice to those who think Melo is never going to be a true superstar. Try going after him for being too uncritical of his coaches and his teammates or, in other words, for exhibiting no coaching potential whatsoever for a team whose coaching is suspect to say the very least.
It's no secret that Melo had long jumper problems in February and March last year. Hollinger's knee-jerk recommendation is that Melo should stop attempting so many long jumpers and 3-pointers. If this recommendation were put into effect, it would be the Nuggets raising the white flag on the battle to win the West, because without their star offensive player having a long shot dimension to his game, so that he becomes a complete star offensive player, the Nugget's chances to win the West are slim to none. Were Melo to give up on the 3-pointer and the long 2, the only way the Nuggets would have a good chance would be to get a veteran 3-pointer and defensive specialist, which is just about the only rabbit the Denver front office has not been able to pull out of the hat since they set about trying to emerge from the 44-120 record of 2001-03. The most notable still remaining foul legacy from all the bags over the heads in the stands years of massive losing in Denver is the uncompetitive 3-point shooting.
Good or excellent 3-point shooting has been a prerequisite to be competitive to win the West for at least a decade if not longer. Melo's efforts to get his long shooting squared away is absolutely necessary for both the Nuggets and for Melo's ultimate career evolution. In the Spurs series, the effort finally started to pay off, as Melo hit on 9 of 18 threes. In the FIBA Olympics qualifier tournament for Team USA, Melo made an amazing 26 of 45 threes, and tied with Michael Redd for the most number of sunk threes per game. So much for Hollinger's theory that Melo should ramp down his three-point shooting.
I don't have any other major criticisms of the evaluation. I have a minor criticism: Hollinger's sarcasm on the Melo defensive game is at least a little over the top.
In the last part of the evaluation, Hollinger, if anything, heaps too much praise on Melo, virtually saying that it is inevitable that Melo will be a superstar in the mode of Kobe Bryant before long. But what about the bitch slap? What about the inability to hit anything longer than a midrange? What about the ineptness on defense? What about the carrying, and the laziness in distributing the ball? What the hell happened to your argument, Mr. Hollinger? I'll be damned if you didn't shoot down your own grossly exaggerated criticisms of Melo at the end of the same writing in which you made them. Me thinks an NBA analyst may be a little overworked.
As for us here at Nuggets 1, we will continue to bring you a balanced and carefully considered analysis of the progress of Melo toward superstar status, and of the progress of the Nuggets towards being able to mount a real challenge in the West. We will be optimistic wherever possible, but always realistic. We will definitely avoid wildly swinging from being too negative to being too positive.
Worse then this, Hollinger, who, translated, calls Melo a pathetic bitch for the near brawl at the Garden last December, reveals his real feelings about the young Team USA superstar, that he is lacking everything it takes to be a true, complete athlete. Or, in a word, Hollinger, like so many other experienced basketball analysts, is hostile toward the Nugget's star. Unfortunately for Hollinger and others who would pick on Melo for his role in the near brawl, they are using the wrong evidence to advance their near or actual hostility and their doubts. Melo ran away after the punch so that he would not be suspended for the entire remainder of the 2006-07 season. Had Melo not run away, but continued to fight the Knicks, who, let's face it, knew full well at the time that they were also rans for the season as a whole, and had almost nothing to lose by provoking the upstart Nuggets, Hollinger would not have been able to make his other incorrect criticism of Melo, the one regarding the fall-off, because Melo simply would not have played at all.
Let me give an inside word of advice to those who think Melo is never going to be a true superstar. Try going after him for being too uncritical of his coaches and his teammates or, in other words, for exhibiting no coaching potential whatsoever for a team whose coaching is suspect to say the very least.
It's no secret that Melo had long jumper problems in February and March last year. Hollinger's knee-jerk recommendation is that Melo should stop attempting so many long jumpers and 3-pointers. If this recommendation were put into effect, it would be the Nuggets raising the white flag on the battle to win the West, because without their star offensive player having a long shot dimension to his game, so that he becomes a complete star offensive player, the Nugget's chances to win the West are slim to none. Were Melo to give up on the 3-pointer and the long 2, the only way the Nuggets would have a good chance would be to get a veteran 3-pointer and defensive specialist, which is just about the only rabbit the Denver front office has not been able to pull out of the hat since they set about trying to emerge from the 44-120 record of 2001-03. The most notable still remaining foul legacy from all the bags over the heads in the stands years of massive losing in Denver is the uncompetitive 3-point shooting.
Good or excellent 3-point shooting has been a prerequisite to be competitive to win the West for at least a decade if not longer. Melo's efforts to get his long shooting squared away is absolutely necessary for both the Nuggets and for Melo's ultimate career evolution. In the Spurs series, the effort finally started to pay off, as Melo hit on 9 of 18 threes. In the FIBA Olympics qualifier tournament for Team USA, Melo made an amazing 26 of 45 threes, and tied with Michael Redd for the most number of sunk threes per game. So much for Hollinger's theory that Melo should ramp down his three-point shooting.
I don't have any other major criticisms of the evaluation. I have a minor criticism: Hollinger's sarcasm on the Melo defensive game is at least a little over the top.
In the last part of the evaluation, Hollinger, if anything, heaps too much praise on Melo, virtually saying that it is inevitable that Melo will be a superstar in the mode of Kobe Bryant before long. But what about the bitch slap? What about the inability to hit anything longer than a midrange? What about the ineptness on defense? What about the carrying, and the laziness in distributing the ball? What the hell happened to your argument, Mr. Hollinger? I'll be damned if you didn't shoot down your own grossly exaggerated criticisms of Melo at the end of the same writing in which you made them. Me thinks an NBA analyst may be a little overworked.
As for us here at Nuggets 1, we will continue to bring you a balanced and carefully considered analysis of the progress of Melo toward superstar status, and of the progress of the Nuggets towards being able to mount a real challenge in the West. We will be optimistic wherever possible, but always realistic. We will definitely avoid wildly swinging from being too negative to being too positive.
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
Carmelo Anthony ESPN 2006-2007 Evaluation & 2007-2008 Outlook
From ESPN, here is the Carmelo Anthony 2006-07 evaluation and the 2007-08 outlook. Look for a Nuggets 1 response, probably within 24 hours.
CARMELO ANTHONY ESPN EVALUATION & OUTLOOK
2006-07 season: Opposing defenses can't stop Carmelo Anthony, but one wonders if Allen Iverson might. 'Melo mellowed after the midseason trade for The Answer, losing four points off his scoring average and a third of his assists in games after the All-Star break. Of course, it's dangerous to confuse correlation with causation. Other factors were at play here -- most notably the 15-game ban he got for his pathetic slap-and-run maneuver in a midseason brawl with the Knicks.
Additionally, he was stellar in the playoffs, averaging 26.8 points on 48 percent shooting against the league's best team. Overall, Iverson may have had little to do with Anthony's late-season struggles, but until he has another stretch like the one with which he began the year, people will keep asking the question.
For the season, Anthony's "big picture" stats were all better than the previous campaign -- he added about a point, a rebound and an assist to his 40 minute averages. But his player efficiency rating barely moved because he committed more turnovers and his true shooting percentage went down a bit.
The biggest issue is Anthony's fondness for shooting long jumpers. He's not particularly good from this range and shouldn't be taking these shots unless he's wide open. More than a quarter of his shots were long 2s, but he only made 38 percent. He also tried more than two 3-pointers a game, but made just 26.8 percent.
The left side of the floor, in particular, gave him problems. Anthony only made 31 percent on 2-point attempts from that side of the floor, one of the worst rates in the league. He hadn't shown any disparity the previous two seasons, so it's possible this was a fluke.
Scouting report: A gifted scorer with incredible instincts around the basket, Anthony is among the league's toughest covers. He's big and knows how to use his body in the post, but has the quickness and dribbling skill of a much smaller player. Too often he settles for a jab move and then a quick jumper, but when he's offensively aggressive few defenders can keep him under wraps. His other weakness is handling the ball in the open court, as he tends to carry the ball when he tries to make a crossover move.
Not surprisingly, this has led to more frequent double-teaming, but Anthony has become better at passing out of the double and finding the open man. Putting better shooters around him would undoubtedly increase his assist totals and give him more space to operate, something the Nuggets have tried to do in the offseason.
Anthony is also good in transition, though it's hard not to be when you give yourself a five-second head start on the field. His defensive effort has improved since his rookie year but it's not like it could have gotten worse, and the cherry-picking is just one sign of his tenuous commitment to that end. Also, too often he gambles instead of playing straight-up defense and forcing opponents to shoot over his 6-8 frame. He gets beaten off the ball quite a bit, too, although he holds his own on the boards.
2007-08 outlook: The projections have Anthony finishing second in per-minute scoring behind Kobe Bryant, but the addition of Iverson may change the nature of Anthony's output. It's possible he'll shoot a higher percentage on fewer shots this year, especially if the Nuggets' efforts to add shooting help bear fruit.
The upshot should be the same though -- his first All-Star appearance and another showing near the top of the league scoring leaders. If he can add some defense to that package and subtract a few contested 17-footers, we're looking at a true superstar, and since he's only 23 there's a very good chance he'll get there.
Most similar at age: Kobe Bryant
CARMELO ANTHONY ESPN EVALUATION & OUTLOOK
2006-07 season: Opposing defenses can't stop Carmelo Anthony, but one wonders if Allen Iverson might. 'Melo mellowed after the midseason trade for The Answer, losing four points off his scoring average and a third of his assists in games after the All-Star break. Of course, it's dangerous to confuse correlation with causation. Other factors were at play here -- most notably the 15-game ban he got for his pathetic slap-and-run maneuver in a midseason brawl with the Knicks.
Additionally, he was stellar in the playoffs, averaging 26.8 points on 48 percent shooting against the league's best team. Overall, Iverson may have had little to do with Anthony's late-season struggles, but until he has another stretch like the one with which he began the year, people will keep asking the question.
For the season, Anthony's "big picture" stats were all better than the previous campaign -- he added about a point, a rebound and an assist to his 40 minute averages. But his player efficiency rating barely moved because he committed more turnovers and his true shooting percentage went down a bit.
The biggest issue is Anthony's fondness for shooting long jumpers. He's not particularly good from this range and shouldn't be taking these shots unless he's wide open. More than a quarter of his shots were long 2s, but he only made 38 percent. He also tried more than two 3-pointers a game, but made just 26.8 percent.
The left side of the floor, in particular, gave him problems. Anthony only made 31 percent on 2-point attempts from that side of the floor, one of the worst rates in the league. He hadn't shown any disparity the previous two seasons, so it's possible this was a fluke.
Scouting report: A gifted scorer with incredible instincts around the basket, Anthony is among the league's toughest covers. He's big and knows how to use his body in the post, but has the quickness and dribbling skill of a much smaller player. Too often he settles for a jab move and then a quick jumper, but when he's offensively aggressive few defenders can keep him under wraps. His other weakness is handling the ball in the open court, as he tends to carry the ball when he tries to make a crossover move.
Not surprisingly, this has led to more frequent double-teaming, but Anthony has become better at passing out of the double and finding the open man. Putting better shooters around him would undoubtedly increase his assist totals and give him more space to operate, something the Nuggets have tried to do in the offseason.
Anthony is also good in transition, though it's hard not to be when you give yourself a five-second head start on the field. His defensive effort has improved since his rookie year but it's not like it could have gotten worse, and the cherry-picking is just one sign of his tenuous commitment to that end. Also, too often he gambles instead of playing straight-up defense and forcing opponents to shoot over his 6-8 frame. He gets beaten off the ball quite a bit, too, although he holds his own on the boards.
2007-08 outlook: The projections have Anthony finishing second in per-minute scoring behind Kobe Bryant, but the addition of Iverson may change the nature of Anthony's output. It's possible he'll shoot a higher percentage on fewer shots this year, especially if the Nuggets' efforts to add shooting help bear fruit.
The upshot should be the same though -- his first All-Star appearance and another showing near the top of the league scoring leaders. If he can add some defense to that package and subtract a few contested 17-footers, we're looking at a true superstar, and since he's only 23 there's a very good chance he'll get there.
Most similar at age: Kobe Bryant
Monday, October 8, 2007
Answering Hollinger: Do the Nuggets Have Any Space Cadets?
First of all, I want to say that Hollinger is a good analyst. You would hope that a highly paid full-time ESPN would be, so there is no surprise there. He has identified most of the major factors that will determine the fate of the Nuggets this year. But being human, and being limited in how much time he could put into following the Nuggets, he missed a few factors and his analysis is a little off here and there. I am going to concentrate here on Hollinger's biggest mistake.
Hollinger committed a big contradiction with regard to J.R. Smith. He says that the Nuggets getting him from the Bulls for a second round pick was "a steal," and he says that Smith is a deep shooter, and that his (along with Melo's) loss during the suspensions left the Nuggets "devoid of offensive punch". Later, Hollinger says Smith "has the offensive talent to be the knock-down shooter who spaces the floor for the big guns, and the quickness to be a capable defender who slows up the Ginobilis and McGradys of the West long enough for Camby to ride to the rescue."
But at the same time, Hollinger says, or at least implies, that Smith losing his minutes was automatic due to the arrival of Iverson, that Smith can be a "space cadet," and that when he is one of those, his skills are no longer available, so he should not be playing. I guess Smith should check himself out anytime he feels that space cadet thing coming on.
For the record, it is obvious that Smith losing half or more of his minutes with Iverson's arrival was not at all automatic.
Let's get one thing straight right here and now. If, as in Hollinger's world, there are players in the NBA who have some kind of mental defect where they become "space cadets" and lose most or all of their playing ability, they should be waived immediately. And whoever signed them should be fired for making such an obvious mistake. They should never have made a pro team to begin with. Fortunately, the vast majority, if not all, humans do not have space cadet episodes, whatever they are, so there are more than enough good basketball players to fill out all the leagues everywhere, without having to have a space cadet on any team anywhere.
All of the critics of Smith want to have it both ways. They sing his praises regarding his obvious skills, but then they say "but it doesn't matter, because he can be a space cadet". Or, "but it doesn't matter, because he can make a goofy shooting decision at a critical moment." The former is Hollinger and the latter is George Karl, and I am sure each would agree with the other's complaint about Smith.
To call any professional athlete a space cadet is a slur. If you think Smith is mentally ill, or that he has a physical brain defect, come out and say so and demand that he be evaluated professionally. Give him a leave of absence and help him get the care and treatment he needs. Someone who has a brain illness should not be working in a high stress occupation. Don't do a hit and run with the vague phrase "space cadet".
Unless Smith has some mental disease like epilepsy, or unless he is on drugs while he is playing, he has the same mental faculties at all times. If he makes a mistake, it's part of his normal personality and brain functioning, not some sudden illness. He has the same brain function and personality when he is hitting half a dozen straight threes as when he goes 1 for 11 on threes during a game. Instruct him to stop shooting threes in the fourth quarter if he's having one of those games, don't say he's mentally ill.
So Hollinger has made a slur on Smith, or else he has made a slur on the Nuggets organization. If Smith is in fact ill, then the Nuggets messed up giving up the second rounder to get him, or perhaps the Nuggets team doctors are negligent because they have not discovered some brain disease that Smith has. Or perhaps the Nuggets have one or more players on their team with a drug problem, and they don't detect it or root it out.
I do not at all agree. I say that both Hollinger and George Karl have cast slurs on J.R. Smith, because they refuse to accept the mistakes that come with his youth, personality, and skill set, along with the benefits. They want the good without the bad. In sports, as in life, you have to take the bad with the good, and to get the really good you must sometimes put up with the really bad. Your concern as a Coach or a fan is whether and by how much the good exceeds the bad.
We see this in nature as well as sports. In the spring and summer, trees bloom green and provide good shade (and good oxygen). In the fall in the far North, in places like Vermont and Michigan, the trees become so colorful that folks take tours to check them out. A few weeks later, the colors and the leaves are gone, and the trees look ugly on a cold and rainy winter day. And in an ice storm, branches might come down, creating a huge mess. Or the whole tree might fall on and damage your house or your car.
Now, you could say, "those trees are really nice in the Spring, Summer, and Fall, but they are ugly in the Winter, and they might possibly come down on my house, so they should be cut down. That would be Hollinger's or Karl's view of the trees. So with either of them in charge, the yard ends up without the benefit of the trees. Or, you or I could say "Yeah, the trees are ugly and slightly risky in the winter, but I can tolerate that because they are nice the rest of the year. They are nice and beneficial for 9 months and not so nice and sometimes bad for 3 months." That's the reasonable and logical way of looking at the trees, as well as the reasonable and logical way of looking at a player like J.R. Smith. He is in the top 10% of all pro basketball shooting guards on his numerous good nights, but you have to put up with a bad game now and then, and a really stupid decision now and then. If the good outweighs the bad, and the trees, and Smith, overall contribute alot more good then bad, then why would you cut them down? Why would you refuse to play Smith?
Because you, if you are George Karl, are an unrealistic perfectionist who refuses to deal with what you have labelled a defective personality. And you think that you might be able to change a defective personality for the better, by using various carrot and stick methods. You don't want to deal with the personalities you have been dealt on your team, you only want to deal with personalities that meet your criteria. Unfortunately, personalities can not be changed much, if at all, by a series of awards and punishments. Your actions are never going to change anyone's personality to any measurable extent.
What you are supposed to do as a Coach is to make the best use of the personalities and skills you have on your team. With respect to each player, you are supposed to train that player on the skills that he is most lacking, as well as to encourage him to keep practicing his best skills, so as to keep them at the high level. In the case of J.R. Smith, for example, you try to improve his distribution skill by having him play pass only in practice squad games over and over, every practice. You try to improve his defensive skill by putting him in defensive drills over and over.
Getting back to Hollinger, you can see what Hollinger has done with his Nuggets analysis. He has cast a slur on J.R. Smith and, in fact, on the Nuggets as a whole. In effect, he is accusing the entire Nuggets organization of being in over their heads with respect to building a Championship caliber team. In Hollinger's mind, the Nuggets can not win a Championship because they have a "space cadet" on their team, and because they can not mentally figure out stuff like how to integrate Allen Iverson's game with Melo's game and with the team as a whole.
So what Hollinger is really implying is that, along with Smith, there is a space cadet or two or three in the Nugget's front office. Now why did Hollinger cast these aspersions? Because the highest paid sports analysts rarely if ever directly criticize the strategies and tactics of coaches. In my view, Mr. Karl committed many errors, and so Hollinger had to cast aspersions far and wide to avoid going after Karl, the real problem. Specifically, to avoid criticizing Karl, Hollinger had to decimate Smith, trash Iverson, and suggest that the Nugget's organization is mentally unfit to win a Championship. But if all this was actually true, then how did the Nuggets win 47 out of 82 games and dominate the Spurs in game one of the series? Something isn't right there. If all of Hollinger's claims were true, the Nuggets would not have made the playoffs last season.
Though wrong about Smith, Iverson, and the Nugget's front office, a man such as Hollinger can not completely strike out without getting at least a piece of the ball, and Hollinger in fact did get a foul tip while at bat here.
While there are no space cadets anywhere in the Nugget's organization, there is someone who holds some beliefs and attitudes that a crude person might think could only be held by a "space cadet." There is one George Karl who lives, to some extent, in a fantasy world, where personalities can be changed, and changed fairly easily too, with rewards and punishments. These theories were investigated and proven to be wrong by psychologists in the 1800's. For Coach Karl, playing minutes are the reward when a player changes their personality for the better, and bench time is the punishment when a player fails to change their personality. The trouble is, as psychologists have shown, there is no known way for someone to change their personality short of, ironically, taking psychoactive drugs. I say ironically because, if you had a player who took a drug to change his personality, you would then have a real space cadet on your hands.
Hollinger committed a big contradiction with regard to J.R. Smith. He says that the Nuggets getting him from the Bulls for a second round pick was "a steal," and he says that Smith is a deep shooter, and that his (along with Melo's) loss during the suspensions left the Nuggets "devoid of offensive punch". Later, Hollinger says Smith "has the offensive talent to be the knock-down shooter who spaces the floor for the big guns, and the quickness to be a capable defender who slows up the Ginobilis and McGradys of the West long enough for Camby to ride to the rescue."
But at the same time, Hollinger says, or at least implies, that Smith losing his minutes was automatic due to the arrival of Iverson, that Smith can be a "space cadet," and that when he is one of those, his skills are no longer available, so he should not be playing. I guess Smith should check himself out anytime he feels that space cadet thing coming on.
For the record, it is obvious that Smith losing half or more of his minutes with Iverson's arrival was not at all automatic.
Let's get one thing straight right here and now. If, as in Hollinger's world, there are players in the NBA who have some kind of mental defect where they become "space cadets" and lose most or all of their playing ability, they should be waived immediately. And whoever signed them should be fired for making such an obvious mistake. They should never have made a pro team to begin with. Fortunately, the vast majority, if not all, humans do not have space cadet episodes, whatever they are, so there are more than enough good basketball players to fill out all the leagues everywhere, without having to have a space cadet on any team anywhere.
All of the critics of Smith want to have it both ways. They sing his praises regarding his obvious skills, but then they say "but it doesn't matter, because he can be a space cadet". Or, "but it doesn't matter, because he can make a goofy shooting decision at a critical moment." The former is Hollinger and the latter is George Karl, and I am sure each would agree with the other's complaint about Smith.
To call any professional athlete a space cadet is a slur. If you think Smith is mentally ill, or that he has a physical brain defect, come out and say so and demand that he be evaluated professionally. Give him a leave of absence and help him get the care and treatment he needs. Someone who has a brain illness should not be working in a high stress occupation. Don't do a hit and run with the vague phrase "space cadet".
Unless Smith has some mental disease like epilepsy, or unless he is on drugs while he is playing, he has the same mental faculties at all times. If he makes a mistake, it's part of his normal personality and brain functioning, not some sudden illness. He has the same brain function and personality when he is hitting half a dozen straight threes as when he goes 1 for 11 on threes during a game. Instruct him to stop shooting threes in the fourth quarter if he's having one of those games, don't say he's mentally ill.
So Hollinger has made a slur on Smith, or else he has made a slur on the Nuggets organization. If Smith is in fact ill, then the Nuggets messed up giving up the second rounder to get him, or perhaps the Nuggets team doctors are negligent because they have not discovered some brain disease that Smith has. Or perhaps the Nuggets have one or more players on their team with a drug problem, and they don't detect it or root it out.
I do not at all agree. I say that both Hollinger and George Karl have cast slurs on J.R. Smith, because they refuse to accept the mistakes that come with his youth, personality, and skill set, along with the benefits. They want the good without the bad. In sports, as in life, you have to take the bad with the good, and to get the really good you must sometimes put up with the really bad. Your concern as a Coach or a fan is whether and by how much the good exceeds the bad.
We see this in nature as well as sports. In the spring and summer, trees bloom green and provide good shade (and good oxygen). In the fall in the far North, in places like Vermont and Michigan, the trees become so colorful that folks take tours to check them out. A few weeks later, the colors and the leaves are gone, and the trees look ugly on a cold and rainy winter day. And in an ice storm, branches might come down, creating a huge mess. Or the whole tree might fall on and damage your house or your car.
Now, you could say, "those trees are really nice in the Spring, Summer, and Fall, but they are ugly in the Winter, and they might possibly come down on my house, so they should be cut down. That would be Hollinger's or Karl's view of the trees. So with either of them in charge, the yard ends up without the benefit of the trees. Or, you or I could say "Yeah, the trees are ugly and slightly risky in the winter, but I can tolerate that because they are nice the rest of the year. They are nice and beneficial for 9 months and not so nice and sometimes bad for 3 months." That's the reasonable and logical way of looking at the trees, as well as the reasonable and logical way of looking at a player like J.R. Smith. He is in the top 10% of all pro basketball shooting guards on his numerous good nights, but you have to put up with a bad game now and then, and a really stupid decision now and then. If the good outweighs the bad, and the trees, and Smith, overall contribute alot more good then bad, then why would you cut them down? Why would you refuse to play Smith?
Because you, if you are George Karl, are an unrealistic perfectionist who refuses to deal with what you have labelled a defective personality. And you think that you might be able to change a defective personality for the better, by using various carrot and stick methods. You don't want to deal with the personalities you have been dealt on your team, you only want to deal with personalities that meet your criteria. Unfortunately, personalities can not be changed much, if at all, by a series of awards and punishments. Your actions are never going to change anyone's personality to any measurable extent.
What you are supposed to do as a Coach is to make the best use of the personalities and skills you have on your team. With respect to each player, you are supposed to train that player on the skills that he is most lacking, as well as to encourage him to keep practicing his best skills, so as to keep them at the high level. In the case of J.R. Smith, for example, you try to improve his distribution skill by having him play pass only in practice squad games over and over, every practice. You try to improve his defensive skill by putting him in defensive drills over and over.
Getting back to Hollinger, you can see what Hollinger has done with his Nuggets analysis. He has cast a slur on J.R. Smith and, in fact, on the Nuggets as a whole. In effect, he is accusing the entire Nuggets organization of being in over their heads with respect to building a Championship caliber team. In Hollinger's mind, the Nuggets can not win a Championship because they have a "space cadet" on their team, and because they can not mentally figure out stuff like how to integrate Allen Iverson's game with Melo's game and with the team as a whole.
So what Hollinger is really implying is that, along with Smith, there is a space cadet or two or three in the Nugget's front office. Now why did Hollinger cast these aspersions? Because the highest paid sports analysts rarely if ever directly criticize the strategies and tactics of coaches. In my view, Mr. Karl committed many errors, and so Hollinger had to cast aspersions far and wide to avoid going after Karl, the real problem. Specifically, to avoid criticizing Karl, Hollinger had to decimate Smith, trash Iverson, and suggest that the Nugget's organization is mentally unfit to win a Championship. But if all this was actually true, then how did the Nuggets win 47 out of 82 games and dominate the Spurs in game one of the series? Something isn't right there. If all of Hollinger's claims were true, the Nuggets would not have made the playoffs last season.
Though wrong about Smith, Iverson, and the Nugget's front office, a man such as Hollinger can not completely strike out without getting at least a piece of the ball, and Hollinger in fact did get a foul tip while at bat here.
While there are no space cadets anywhere in the Nugget's organization, there is someone who holds some beliefs and attitudes that a crude person might think could only be held by a "space cadet." There is one George Karl who lives, to some extent, in a fantasy world, where personalities can be changed, and changed fairly easily too, with rewards and punishments. These theories were investigated and proven to be wrong by psychologists in the 1800's. For Coach Karl, playing minutes are the reward when a player changes their personality for the better, and bench time is the punishment when a player fails to change their personality. The trouble is, as psychologists have shown, there is no known way for someone to change their personality short of, ironically, taking psychoactive drugs. I say ironically because, if you had a player who took a drug to change his personality, you would then have a real space cadet on your hands.
Sunday, October 7, 2007
John Hollinger of ESPN's Preseason Take on the Nuggets
John Hollinger's ESPN Nuggets Preview
NOTE: This is one man's opinion. Hollinger has a high rep because he is one of ESPN's top basketball analysts, and he is a statistical guru. So it's one smart man's opinion. Hollinger can not rock the boat very much without raising eyebrows at ESPN, something he doesn't want to do considering the lofty position he has at ESPN. And these views do not necessarily reflect the views of Nuggets 1. Come back soon for the Nuggets 1 response to this, which will most likely be posted within 24 hours. Bookmark Nuggets 1 now.
2006-07 RECAP
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
For a team that was summarily dismissed in five games in the first round, the Nuggets had an awfully good team by the end of last season. Unfortunately their opponent in April was eventual champion San Antonio, and while the Nuggets played them as tough as anyone, they were no match for the mighty Spurs.
That series, which featured four nip-and-tuck games before the Spurs ran away with Game 5, gives the Nuggets a dash of optimism heading into this season, but there was an awful lot of drama leading up to that point.
The season began with Kenyon Martin -- whose feuding with George Karl had marred the end of the previous season -- seemingly patching things up with his coach, only to go under the knife for a second microfracture surgery. This was on the other knee, putting the career of the jumping-jack forward in jeopardy. He missed the entire season, naturally, and Denver's decision to give up three first-round picks and pay $91 million over seven years for Martin has never looked worse.
Melo was having a great season until a scuffle broke out at MSG.
Even without K-Mart, the Nuggets got off to a nice start. Carmelo Anthony was leading the league in scoring at midseason, while Nene made an unexpectedly quick recovery from the previous season's knee surgery and stabilized the power forward slot left vacant by Martin's injury. J.R. Smith, stolen from the Bulls for a second-round pick, gave the team a much-needed deep shooter.
Not to mention, oft-injured center Marcus Camby stayed on the court for 70 games, and eventually led the league in blocks and won the league's Defensive Player of the Year award.
Thanks to those events the Nuggets were 14-8 on Dec. 16, when they were in the midst of wrapping up a blowout win against the Knicks. Then their season went upside-down on them. Smith was tackled while going for a layup, a fight ensued, and Anthony improvised a foolish, cowardly slap-and-run maneuver that resulted in a 15-game suspension. Smith got 10 games for his role, leaving the Nuggets devoid of offensive punch.
The loss of Anthony accelerated Denver's timeline on another front: Trading for Allen Iverson. The Nuggets had been interested even before the suspensions, but with their meal ticket suspended they decided to pull the trigger right away on a deal that sent Andre Miller and Joe Smith to Philly for The Answer. While they were at it, Denver also figured one diminutive ball-dominating guard was plenty and sent Earl Boykins to Milwaukee for Steve Blake.
The new-look Nuggets got off to a slow start, as the suspensions and an ankle injury to Iverson left them reeling. They had some chemistry issues to work out, too, as both Iverson and Anthony were used to being the alpha dog, and as a result Denver went 3-7 in its first 10 games with the dynamic duo. The Nuggies even briefly fell under .500, at 29-31 in mid-March, before recovering with a 10-1 April.
However, perhaps a bigger story from that season-ending finish is how both Iverson and Anthony saw their numbers drop off after the trade. The big question at the time was whether there were enough shots to go around for both of them; the answer based on the end of last season is perhaps there isn't.
Of course, other problems also played into this. With Iverson taking over at shooting guard, Smith went to the bench and the Nuggets once again found themselves short of 3-point shooting. Denver led the NBA in points in the paint and was second in fast-break points, but the lack of a perimeter threat kept them from ranking in the league's elite overall. For the season, Denver ranked 28th in the league in 3-point percentage, and individually Smith and Linas Kleiza were the only ones to make more than a third of their tries.
With Iverson's arrival pushing both of those players deeper in the rotation, it allowed opponents to sag into the paint, forcing both Iverson and Anthony to drive into crowds. Thus, the dropoff in scoring from Denver's two stars might have been less a result of bad chemistry than of improper personnel surrounding them.
That said, the ending of the Spurs series had to give Nuggets fans pause as well. Iverson acted like he was back in Philadelphia, continually overdribbling and forcing shots instead of deferring to Anthony -- the one player who gives San Antonio defensive ace Bruce Bowen serious fits.
Through it all the Nuggets managed to be a pretty good offensive team, ranking ninth in offensive efficiency, but I don't think they made the Iverson deal and chose to pay luxury tax this year to get "pretty good." Denver has given itself a slim window to win a championship before Iverson and Camby lose it, and to get there with this cast they'll need to be a top-five offensive team.
At the other end of the court, many did a quick eyeball of Denver's stats and labeled the Nuggets a poor defensive team. But that simply wasn't true. It was a failure to understand the impact of pace, mainly: The Nuggets played at the league's second-fastest clip, and thus their points allowed per game averages were high. Additionally, Denver gave up a fairly high field goal percentage, further confusing the masses: Their 46.0 percent allowed was above the league average of 45.8 percent.
Opponent Free Throw Attempts Per Field Goal Attempt: 2006-07 Leaders
TEAM OPP. FGA/FTA
Phoenix .268
San Antonio .272
Denver .274
New Orleans/OKC .280
Toronto .290
League average .327
But Denver was very good at one key element: avoiding fouls. The Nuggets permitted just .274 free throw attempts per field goal attempt, ranking a close third behind Phoenix and San Antonio in that category (see chart). As a result, the team ranked 11th in opponent true shooting percentage against, and that was good enough to help the team rank ninth overall in defensive efficiency.
That's a good enough defensive effort to win big, especially the way this roster is built. But to get there, the Nuggets will have to dial up the offense. They also might want to run some extra laps after practice -- the mile-high air and fast pace were supposed to tire their opponents, but Denver was outscored badly in the fourth quarter last season.
OFF-SEASON MOVES
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
It was a very quiet offseason in the Rockies, as the Nuggets opted to see how last season's big move for Iverson plays out before attempting any further surgery. Denver also has some financial issues to consider, as it will be well over the luxury tax this year and next before Iverson's contract expires in 2009.
The Nuggets clearly knew this when they made the trade, and thus I don't expect them to pull a Phoenix and start shedding contracts left and right. Rather, it appears the plan is to pay the tax while pursuing a ring during this two-year window and re-assess in '09.
Draft day passed without a whisper, as Denver already had traded both picks -- one for Martin, the other for J.R. Smith. The Nuggets are viewing late-season pickup Von Wafer as their "draft pick" after he led the CBA in 3-point shooting, and on a team in need of some long-range help he might fill a niche.
One other financial consideration to keep in mind is that the Nuggets still have a cap exception worth nearly $3 million from the Boykins trade. That could come in handy if they go in search of backcourt help at the trade deadline.
• Signed Chucky Atkins, let Steve Blake leave
Denver let Blake cash in his solid half-season as a Nugget and went for more of a pure shooter in Atkins, a reasonable move considering the team's need for players who can spread the floor. There's some concern with playing the 5-11 Atkins next to the 6-0 Iverson in the backcourt, but with Camby guarding their backs the hope is that the Nuggets' guards won't be burned on the blocks.
• Traded Reggie Evans, Ricky Sanchez for Steven Hunter, Bobby Jones
A surplus power forward who was going to see little action, the Nuggets converted Evans into Hunter, a backup center who gives them a nice cap bonus -- Hunter's contract expires a year earlier. Hunter had his best season with a running outfit in Phoenix in 2004-05, so he should benefit from Denver's fast pace. He's also decent insurance for if, or should I say when, Camby goes on the shelf.
BIGGEST STRENGTH/WEAKNESS
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
Offensively, the Nuggets can beat you two ways. First, they can run you into submission, which is their preferred style in Denver's altitude especially. But teams that cut off the break still must contend with the Nuggets in the halfcourt, and that means three separate problematic matchups.
The most vexing is Anthony, who has the size to post up smaller forwards but is also unusually quick for his size and capable of stepping outside for jumper. Anthony is at his best when he's going to the hoop, but his outstanding outside shooting for Team USA the past two summers shows he's capable of burning opponents from the perimeter, too.
Then there's Iverson, who at 32 remains as quick as any player in basketball. Teams often have to guard him with their own little quick guys, most of whom aren't used to chasing big-time scorers through off-ball screens or defending against isolations on the wing. As an added plus, he added more of a passing element to his game in Denver -- at least until the Spurs series -- and should continue to embrace that aspect. Denver was 11-0 when he had double-figure assists last season.
Finally, don't sleep on Nene. The Brazilian big man gave the Nuggets a solid post presence, especially in the second half of last season when his knee started feeling better. At 6-11, 268 pounds, he demands a big defender -- if not a double-team. After the break last season, he averaged 13.0 points per game and shot 62.4 percent.
Biggest Weakness: Starter No. 5
The Nuggets have four-fifths of an awesome team. If they can complete the quintet they'll be as good as any team in basketball, but that's where the questions start. Atkins should be an improvement on Blake, even though he's coming off a Fluke Rule season, but he's 33 and short so the pairing with Iverson is a bit troubling from the defensive end.
Other candidates offer possibilities too. Smith has mad talent but can't keep his head on straight, exemplified by some loopy plays in the Spurs series that ended with Karl publicly removing him from the rotation. Smith's shooting is the perfect antidote to the Nuggets' problems, but his presence forces Iverson to play the point. Additionally, his defense needs serious work, as he'd be the one who has to guard the Kobes and Wades of the league.
Another possibility is Kleiza, who had a strong finish to last season, but at 6-8 he's much more comfortable at a forward spot. Wafer is the newest flavor and has the size and athleticism to defend shooting guards, but he's still a bit raw, not to mention completely unproven. Finally, lurking deep on the roster is Yakhouba Diawara, who is the best defender of the bunch but might be the worst offensive player in the state of Colorado.
If you aren't impressed by these choices, join the club. One senses the Nuggets have one more deal left in them between now and the trade deadline before they have the roster in place that can make a run at a championship.
OUTLOOK
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
Denver will be good, of course -- with players like Anthony, Iverson, Nene and Camby it's tough not to be. And in the East, that might be enough. But in this conference, it takes 60-win talent just to get in the conversation. The Nuggets won 45 last season, and while they're better than that final won-loss record showed, it still feels like they're a player away from rivaling the Texas trio.
Two important players to watch are Iverson and Camby. Iverson's numbers dropped off alarmingly last season, and if that's more than an adjustment period from the trade the Nuggets need to be worried. Small, quick guards tend to fare very poorly in their 30s; Iverson had defied that trend until last season and seems just as fast as ever, but if he isn't providing All-Star caliber play at one of the guard spots then they're not getting anywhere near the title.
Similarly, Camby's injuries are always a concern. Denver can live with it if he's hurt in January, but if he's MIA in May that pretty much sinks its hopes.
But perhaps the biggest wild card is Smith. He has the offensive talent to be the knock-down shooter who spaces the floor for the big guns, and the quickness to be a capable defender who slows up the Ginobilis and McGradys of the West long enough for Camby to ride to the rescue. That only works if he's engaged mentally, though, and the 21-year-old had enough space cadet moments in his first three pro seasons to call that premise into question.
So while the upside for this group is high, they look more like bridesmaids in this conference. Look for Anthony to push for the scoring title while Iverson boosts his assists and takes on a secondary scoring role, and look for the Nuggets to edge out Utah for the division crown. But they're unlikely to make a run beyond that without further tweaking to the roster.
Prediction: 53-29, 1st place in Northwest Division, 5th in Western Conference (4th playoff seed)
The above preseason commentary on the Nuggets is by John Hollinger of ESPN and does NOT necessarily reflect the views of Nuggets 1. Come back soon for the Nuggets 1 response to this, which will most likely be posted here within 24 hours. Bookmark Nuggets 1 now.
NOTE: This is one man's opinion. Hollinger has a high rep because he is one of ESPN's top basketball analysts, and he is a statistical guru. So it's one smart man's opinion. Hollinger can not rock the boat very much without raising eyebrows at ESPN, something he doesn't want to do considering the lofty position he has at ESPN. And these views do not necessarily reflect the views of Nuggets 1. Come back soon for the Nuggets 1 response to this, which will most likely be posted within 24 hours. Bookmark Nuggets 1 now.
2006-07 RECAP
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
For a team that was summarily dismissed in five games in the first round, the Nuggets had an awfully good team by the end of last season. Unfortunately their opponent in April was eventual champion San Antonio, and while the Nuggets played them as tough as anyone, they were no match for the mighty Spurs.
That series, which featured four nip-and-tuck games before the Spurs ran away with Game 5, gives the Nuggets a dash of optimism heading into this season, but there was an awful lot of drama leading up to that point.
The season began with Kenyon Martin -- whose feuding with George Karl had marred the end of the previous season -- seemingly patching things up with his coach, only to go under the knife for a second microfracture surgery. This was on the other knee, putting the career of the jumping-jack forward in jeopardy. He missed the entire season, naturally, and Denver's decision to give up three first-round picks and pay $91 million over seven years for Martin has never looked worse.
Melo was having a great season until a scuffle broke out at MSG.
Even without K-Mart, the Nuggets got off to a nice start. Carmelo Anthony was leading the league in scoring at midseason, while Nene made an unexpectedly quick recovery from the previous season's knee surgery and stabilized the power forward slot left vacant by Martin's injury. J.R. Smith, stolen from the Bulls for a second-round pick, gave the team a much-needed deep shooter.
Not to mention, oft-injured center Marcus Camby stayed on the court for 70 games, and eventually led the league in blocks and won the league's Defensive Player of the Year award.
Thanks to those events the Nuggets were 14-8 on Dec. 16, when they were in the midst of wrapping up a blowout win against the Knicks. Then their season went upside-down on them. Smith was tackled while going for a layup, a fight ensued, and Anthony improvised a foolish, cowardly slap-and-run maneuver that resulted in a 15-game suspension. Smith got 10 games for his role, leaving the Nuggets devoid of offensive punch.
The loss of Anthony accelerated Denver's timeline on another front: Trading for Allen Iverson. The Nuggets had been interested even before the suspensions, but with their meal ticket suspended they decided to pull the trigger right away on a deal that sent Andre Miller and Joe Smith to Philly for The Answer. While they were at it, Denver also figured one diminutive ball-dominating guard was plenty and sent Earl Boykins to Milwaukee for Steve Blake.
The new-look Nuggets got off to a slow start, as the suspensions and an ankle injury to Iverson left them reeling. They had some chemistry issues to work out, too, as both Iverson and Anthony were used to being the alpha dog, and as a result Denver went 3-7 in its first 10 games with the dynamic duo. The Nuggies even briefly fell under .500, at 29-31 in mid-March, before recovering with a 10-1 April.
However, perhaps a bigger story from that season-ending finish is how both Iverson and Anthony saw their numbers drop off after the trade. The big question at the time was whether there were enough shots to go around for both of them; the answer based on the end of last season is perhaps there isn't.
Of course, other problems also played into this. With Iverson taking over at shooting guard, Smith went to the bench and the Nuggets once again found themselves short of 3-point shooting. Denver led the NBA in points in the paint and was second in fast-break points, but the lack of a perimeter threat kept them from ranking in the league's elite overall. For the season, Denver ranked 28th in the league in 3-point percentage, and individually Smith and Linas Kleiza were the only ones to make more than a third of their tries.
With Iverson's arrival pushing both of those players deeper in the rotation, it allowed opponents to sag into the paint, forcing both Iverson and Anthony to drive into crowds. Thus, the dropoff in scoring from Denver's two stars might have been less a result of bad chemistry than of improper personnel surrounding them.
That said, the ending of the Spurs series had to give Nuggets fans pause as well. Iverson acted like he was back in Philadelphia, continually overdribbling and forcing shots instead of deferring to Anthony -- the one player who gives San Antonio defensive ace Bruce Bowen serious fits.
Through it all the Nuggets managed to be a pretty good offensive team, ranking ninth in offensive efficiency, but I don't think they made the Iverson deal and chose to pay luxury tax this year to get "pretty good." Denver has given itself a slim window to win a championship before Iverson and Camby lose it, and to get there with this cast they'll need to be a top-five offensive team.
At the other end of the court, many did a quick eyeball of Denver's stats and labeled the Nuggets a poor defensive team. But that simply wasn't true. It was a failure to understand the impact of pace, mainly: The Nuggets played at the league's second-fastest clip, and thus their points allowed per game averages were high. Additionally, Denver gave up a fairly high field goal percentage, further confusing the masses: Their 46.0 percent allowed was above the league average of 45.8 percent.
Opponent Free Throw Attempts Per Field Goal Attempt: 2006-07 Leaders
TEAM OPP. FGA/FTA
Phoenix .268
San Antonio .272
Denver .274
New Orleans/OKC .280
Toronto .290
League average .327
But Denver was very good at one key element: avoiding fouls. The Nuggets permitted just .274 free throw attempts per field goal attempt, ranking a close third behind Phoenix and San Antonio in that category (see chart). As a result, the team ranked 11th in opponent true shooting percentage against, and that was good enough to help the team rank ninth overall in defensive efficiency.
That's a good enough defensive effort to win big, especially the way this roster is built. But to get there, the Nuggets will have to dial up the offense. They also might want to run some extra laps after practice -- the mile-high air and fast pace were supposed to tire their opponents, but Denver was outscored badly in the fourth quarter last season.
OFF-SEASON MOVES
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
It was a very quiet offseason in the Rockies, as the Nuggets opted to see how last season's big move for Iverson plays out before attempting any further surgery. Denver also has some financial issues to consider, as it will be well over the luxury tax this year and next before Iverson's contract expires in 2009.
The Nuggets clearly knew this when they made the trade, and thus I don't expect them to pull a Phoenix and start shedding contracts left and right. Rather, it appears the plan is to pay the tax while pursuing a ring during this two-year window and re-assess in '09.
Draft day passed without a whisper, as Denver already had traded both picks -- one for Martin, the other for J.R. Smith. The Nuggets are viewing late-season pickup Von Wafer as their "draft pick" after he led the CBA in 3-point shooting, and on a team in need of some long-range help he might fill a niche.
One other financial consideration to keep in mind is that the Nuggets still have a cap exception worth nearly $3 million from the Boykins trade. That could come in handy if they go in search of backcourt help at the trade deadline.
• Signed Chucky Atkins, let Steve Blake leave
Denver let Blake cash in his solid half-season as a Nugget and went for more of a pure shooter in Atkins, a reasonable move considering the team's need for players who can spread the floor. There's some concern with playing the 5-11 Atkins next to the 6-0 Iverson in the backcourt, but with Camby guarding their backs the hope is that the Nuggets' guards won't be burned on the blocks.
• Traded Reggie Evans, Ricky Sanchez for Steven Hunter, Bobby Jones
A surplus power forward who was going to see little action, the Nuggets converted Evans into Hunter, a backup center who gives them a nice cap bonus -- Hunter's contract expires a year earlier. Hunter had his best season with a running outfit in Phoenix in 2004-05, so he should benefit from Denver's fast pace. He's also decent insurance for if, or should I say when, Camby goes on the shelf.
BIGGEST STRENGTH/WEAKNESS
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
Offensively, the Nuggets can beat you two ways. First, they can run you into submission, which is their preferred style in Denver's altitude especially. But teams that cut off the break still must contend with the Nuggets in the halfcourt, and that means three separate problematic matchups.
The most vexing is Anthony, who has the size to post up smaller forwards but is also unusually quick for his size and capable of stepping outside for jumper. Anthony is at his best when he's going to the hoop, but his outstanding outside shooting for Team USA the past two summers shows he's capable of burning opponents from the perimeter, too.
Then there's Iverson, who at 32 remains as quick as any player in basketball. Teams often have to guard him with their own little quick guys, most of whom aren't used to chasing big-time scorers through off-ball screens or defending against isolations on the wing. As an added plus, he added more of a passing element to his game in Denver -- at least until the Spurs series -- and should continue to embrace that aspect. Denver was 11-0 when he had double-figure assists last season.
Finally, don't sleep on Nene. The Brazilian big man gave the Nuggets a solid post presence, especially in the second half of last season when his knee started feeling better. At 6-11, 268 pounds, he demands a big defender -- if not a double-team. After the break last season, he averaged 13.0 points per game and shot 62.4 percent.
Biggest Weakness: Starter No. 5
The Nuggets have four-fifths of an awesome team. If they can complete the quintet they'll be as good as any team in basketball, but that's where the questions start. Atkins should be an improvement on Blake, even though he's coming off a Fluke Rule season, but he's 33 and short so the pairing with Iverson is a bit troubling from the defensive end.
Other candidates offer possibilities too. Smith has mad talent but can't keep his head on straight, exemplified by some loopy plays in the Spurs series that ended with Karl publicly removing him from the rotation. Smith's shooting is the perfect antidote to the Nuggets' problems, but his presence forces Iverson to play the point. Additionally, his defense needs serious work, as he'd be the one who has to guard the Kobes and Wades of the league.
Another possibility is Kleiza, who had a strong finish to last season, but at 6-8 he's much more comfortable at a forward spot. Wafer is the newest flavor and has the size and athleticism to defend shooting guards, but he's still a bit raw, not to mention completely unproven. Finally, lurking deep on the roster is Yakhouba Diawara, who is the best defender of the bunch but might be the worst offensive player in the state of Colorado.
If you aren't impressed by these choices, join the club. One senses the Nuggets have one more deal left in them between now and the trade deadline before they have the roster in place that can make a run at a championship.
OUTLOOK
JOHN HOLLINGER SAYS:
Denver will be good, of course -- with players like Anthony, Iverson, Nene and Camby it's tough not to be. And in the East, that might be enough. But in this conference, it takes 60-win talent just to get in the conversation. The Nuggets won 45 last season, and while they're better than that final won-loss record showed, it still feels like they're a player away from rivaling the Texas trio.
Two important players to watch are Iverson and Camby. Iverson's numbers dropped off alarmingly last season, and if that's more than an adjustment period from the trade the Nuggets need to be worried. Small, quick guards tend to fare very poorly in their 30s; Iverson had defied that trend until last season and seems just as fast as ever, but if he isn't providing All-Star caliber play at one of the guard spots then they're not getting anywhere near the title.
Similarly, Camby's injuries are always a concern. Denver can live with it if he's hurt in January, but if he's MIA in May that pretty much sinks its hopes.
But perhaps the biggest wild card is Smith. He has the offensive talent to be the knock-down shooter who spaces the floor for the big guns, and the quickness to be a capable defender who slows up the Ginobilis and McGradys of the West long enough for Camby to ride to the rescue. That only works if he's engaged mentally, though, and the 21-year-old had enough space cadet moments in his first three pro seasons to call that premise into question.
So while the upside for this group is high, they look more like bridesmaids in this conference. Look for Anthony to push for the scoring title while Iverson boosts his assists and takes on a secondary scoring role, and look for the Nuggets to edge out Utah for the division crown. But they're unlikely to make a run beyond that without further tweaking to the roster.
Prediction: 53-29, 1st place in Northwest Division, 5th in Western Conference (4th playoff seed)
The above preseason commentary on the Nuggets is by John Hollinger of ESPN and does NOT necessarily reflect the views of Nuggets 1. Come back soon for the Nuggets 1 response to this, which will most likely be posted here within 24 hours. Bookmark Nuggets 1 now.
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HOLD MOUSE HERE TO EXPAND THIS MENU OF PLACES ON WHICH YOU CAN POST A LINK TO QUEST:
BASKETBALL SITES THAT ARE OPEN FOR CONTENT FROM ANYONE
Note: Beware of "layered" sites. None of the following are layered sites, which are sites that allow contributions from the public only in hard to find, low traffic areas, while the main areas are off limits for public input and are only for a chosen few. All of the following have at least some notable traffic, and all of them allow relatively equal and open participation. The order is from most recommended to least recommended, based on about half a dozen factors.
Bleacher Report Open Posting Site
Inside Hoops NBA Forum
Real GM NBA and Team Forums
Pro Sports Daily NBA Forum
Basketball Forum NBA Forum
Sporting News NBA Forum
Hoops Hype NBA Forum
Armchair GM Open Posting Site
SportsTwo NBA Forum
NBA Dimensions NBA Forum
OTR Basketball Forums NBA Forum
NBA Boards NBA Forum
NBA Wire NBA Forum
KFFL NBA Forum
Note: there are other forums, but they are all very low traffic and activity compared to the ones above.
MESSAGE BOARDS AT HUGE COROPORATIONS
The Fox NBA board is very low traffic, and the MSNBC NBA board doesn't exist anymore. The CBS Sports NBA Message Board is a layered site; you can NOT post topics nor expect to be considered seriously there until you have spent a few years posting there. We do not recommend CBS Sports. So the only real, fully open NBA forum hosted by a big corporation is the ESPN message board. Be forewarned though that the ESPN board is dominated by very young fans who make very short comments. On the other hand, it is a high traffic site, so we won't stop you from posting a Quest link at ESPN if you want to.
ESPN NBA Message Board
GIVE US THE JUICE TO PRODUCE REPORTS MORE QUICKLY
Although there is a guaranteed minimum rate of Report production regardless of traffic, IT IS IN YOUR POWER to help double or triple the number of and frequency of Reports. Simply take two or three minutes as often as you can to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest, which in turn speeds up reporting. If you want, e-mail how you helped (include the url of where you posted a link to Quest) and we will throw some Internet love back to where you tell us on the Internet. Thank you.
Here are some quick links that you can use to find a place where you might post a link to Quest and/or to Quest content.
HOLD MOUSE HERE TO EXPAND THIS MENU OF PLACES ON WHICH YOU CAN POST A LINK TO QUEST:
BASKETBALL SITES THAT ARE OPEN FOR CONTENT FROM ANYONE
Note: Beware of "layered" sites. None of the following are layered sites, which are sites that allow contributions from the public only in hard to find, low traffic areas, while the main areas are off limits for public input and are only for a chosen few. All of the following have at least some notable traffic, and all of them allow relatively equal and open participation. The order is from most recommended to least recommended, based on about half a dozen factors.
Bleacher Report Open Posting Site
Inside Hoops NBA Forum
Real GM NBA and Team Forums
Pro Sports Daily NBA Forum
Basketball Forum NBA Forum
Sporting News NBA Forum
Hoops Hype NBA Forum
Armchair GM Open Posting Site
SportsTwo NBA Forum
NBA Dimensions NBA Forum
OTR Basketball Forums NBA Forum
NBA Boards NBA Forum
NBA Wire NBA Forum
KFFL NBA Forum
Note: there are other forums, but they are all very low traffic and activity compared to the ones above.
MESSAGE BOARDS AT HUGE COROPORATIONS
The Fox NBA board is very low traffic, and the MSNBC NBA board doesn't exist anymore. The CBS Sports NBA Message Board is a layered site; you can NOT post topics nor expect to be considered seriously there until you have spent a few years posting there. We do not recommend CBS Sports. So the only real, fully open NBA forum hosted by a big corporation is the ESPN message board. Be forewarned though that the ESPN board is dominated by very young fans who make very short comments. On the other hand, it is a high traffic site, so we won't stop you from posting a Quest link at ESPN if you want to.
ESPN NBA Message Board
LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD
>>>I WANT TO STICK WITH THE WAY OTHER SITES PRESENT POSTS
Due to the number of, uniqueness of, and importance of the many other home page features we have, only one Report loads at a time, currently the one just above. To see the next Report (which would be the one that came out just before the one above) on this home page, click "Older Posts" that is at the very bottom of the Report showing above, just above the section header "Your Ball: Take Your Best Shot".
>>ALTERNATIVE HOME PAGES
There are three home pages, all of which have all of the Reports but which have completely different features appearing on the sidebar and below the one Report that is shown at a time. These pages have been designed so that they fully load in about 10 seconds (no more super long load times we used to be known for.)
HOME PAGE A: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE B: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE C: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
>>REPORT READERS: Complete freedom to rapidly choose and read what you need or want to read. The latest 40 Reports are found near the top of all three of the primary home pages (linked to just above) while Reports #41-#100 are found in three separate readers placed at various points down the page on all three primary home pages.
>>EXPRESS VERSION: Every Single Report but no Features: a Fast Loading Page: Click Here
>>FAST BREAK VERSION: The Latest 100 Reports via Report Readers Only; no Features, a Fast Loading Page: Click Here
>>QUEST ARCHIVE HOME PAGES--REPORT ARCHIVES AND A SMALL NUMBER OF CLASSIC FEATURES THAT WON'T FIT ON OTHER HOME PAGES
QUEST 4: REPORTS 101-200
QUEST 5: REPORTS 201-300
QUEST 6: REPORTS 301-400
QUEST 7: REPORTS 401-500
QUEST 8: REPORTS 501-600
QUEST 9: REPORTS 601-700
QUEST 10: REPORTS 701-800
>>FEATURES ONLY HOME PAGES: NO REPORTS, JUST FEATURES THAT WE CAN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE
QUEST OVERTIME
QUEST CLASSIC
>>COMPLETE TITLE INDEX: : A Complete Report Title Index, with Express Version Links to all Reports
>>LATEST 25 Reports: Direct links to the latest 25 Reports (with no truncated titles as you find with the poorly designed Google archive). This is located near the very bottom of this page.
>>GOOGLE ARCHIVE you will find this, with Reports shown by week not very far below.
>>I'M NEW AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO: Welcome to the Real Zone. Simply browse the page and see for yourself what is here. You will not be disappointed.
>>OR YOU CAN DO A CUSTOM GOOGLE SEARCH OF THE 13 BOOKS AND COUNTING CONTAINED ON THIS SITE>>>>>
Due to the number of, uniqueness of, and importance of the many other home page features we have, only one Report loads at a time, currently the one just above. To see the next Report (which would be the one that came out just before the one above) on this home page, click "Older Posts" that is at the very bottom of the Report showing above, just above the section header "Your Ball: Take Your Best Shot".
>>ALTERNATIVE HOME PAGES
There are three home pages, all of which have all of the Reports but which have completely different features appearing on the sidebar and below the one Report that is shown at a time. These pages have been designed so that they fully load in about 10 seconds (no more super long load times we used to be known for.)
HOME PAGE A: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE B: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
HOME PAGE C: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
>>REPORT READERS: Complete freedom to rapidly choose and read what you need or want to read. The latest 40 Reports are found near the top of all three of the primary home pages (linked to just above) while Reports #41-#100 are found in three separate readers placed at various points down the page on all three primary home pages.
>>EXPRESS VERSION: Every Single Report but no Features: a Fast Loading Page: Click Here
>>FAST BREAK VERSION: The Latest 100 Reports via Report Readers Only; no Features, a Fast Loading Page: Click Here
>>QUEST ARCHIVE HOME PAGES--REPORT ARCHIVES AND A SMALL NUMBER OF CLASSIC FEATURES THAT WON'T FIT ON OTHER HOME PAGES
QUEST 4: REPORTS 101-200
QUEST 5: REPORTS 201-300
QUEST 6: REPORTS 301-400
QUEST 7: REPORTS 401-500
QUEST 8: REPORTS 501-600
QUEST 9: REPORTS 601-700
QUEST 10: REPORTS 701-800
>>FEATURES ONLY HOME PAGES: NO REPORTS, JUST FEATURES THAT WE CAN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE
QUEST OVERTIME
QUEST CLASSIC
>>COMPLETE TITLE INDEX: : A Complete Report Title Index, with Express Version Links to all Reports
>>LATEST 25 Reports: Direct links to the latest 25 Reports (with no truncated titles as you find with the poorly designed Google archive). This is located near the very bottom of this page.
>>GOOGLE ARCHIVE you will find this, with Reports shown by week not very far below.
>>I'M NEW AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO: Welcome to the Real Zone. Simply browse the page and see for yourself what is here. You will not be disappointed.
>>OR YOU CAN DO A CUSTOM GOOGLE SEARCH OF THE 13 BOOKS AND COUNTING CONTAINED ON THIS SITE>>>>>
SEARCH THE QUEST FOR THE RING--THE EQUIVALENT OF MORE THAN 15 BOOKS ABOUT BASKETBALL
Custom Search
SEARCH THE 15 BOOKS / 1.5 MILLION WORDSCOMPLETE AND ALWAYS UPDATED DIRECTORY OF ALL QUEST FOR THE RING REPORTS ON ONE PAGE >>>
TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT HOW LONG QUEST FOR THE RING HAS BEEN KEEPING IT REAL
The above shows you in two different ways the exact amount of time since The Quest for the Ring began to completely explain how the Quest is won, while having as much fun as possible at the expense of basketball pretenders and player haters. The first panel shows how long it has been in each of seven units. The second panel shows how long it has been in the more usual "remainder" way.
QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.
QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.
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QUEST REPORTS #41 TO #60, GOING BACK IN TIME
QUEST IS FREE BUT ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME CAN GET YOU MORE OF IT
Although there is a guaranteed minimum rate of Report production regardless of traffic, it is in your power to help increase the number of and frequency of Quest Reports. All Quest sites are developed and produced according to both superseding criteria and site traffic. Like all sites started in recent years, Quest receives very little help from Google and other search engines. The search engines mostly serve to keep the older, popular sites popular; they preserve the same old, same old status quo.
The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!
WE NEED A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME
Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.
The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!
WE NEED A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME
Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.
QUEST FOR THE RING USER GUIDE
QUEST FOR THE RING USER GUIDE: YOU CAN QUICKLY LOCATE AND GET THE SITE INFORMATION YOU NEED OR WANT RIGHT HERE
LATEST 25 REPORTS THREE AT A TIME -- TO LOAD THE NEXT THREE, CLICK ">" AT THE TOP ON THE RIGHT
QUEST REPORTS #61 TO #80, GOING BACK IN TIME
WORD IS BOND
WELCOME TO THE QUEST--THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.
2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.
The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.
Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.
THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.
One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.
THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.
WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.
Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.
A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins
A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
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--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense
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Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.
TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards
POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days
MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005
SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903
STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820
VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520
POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460
VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less
AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.
Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700
PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.
REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.
THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.
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