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Thursday, July 2, 2009

NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Real Offensive Quality, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
OFFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO QUALITY OF OFFENSE
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

1 Chris Paul NOH 0.917
2 LeBron James CLE 0.877
3 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.868
4 Deron Williams UTA 0.792
5 Tony Parker SAS 0.782
6 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.772
7 Steve Nash PHO 0.753
8 Brandon Roy POR 0.710
9 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.694
10 Jose Calderon TOR 0.691
11 Devin Harris NJN 0.660
12 Pau Gasol LAL 0.652
13 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.651
14 Nate Robinson NYK 0.640
15 Danny Granger IND 0.637
16 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.637
17 Tim Duncan SAS 0.635
18 Al Jefferson MIN 0.631
19 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.627
20 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.619
21 Andre Miller PHI 0.614
22 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.611
23 Jason Terry DAL 0.605
24 Vince Carter NJN 0.604
25 Chris Bosh TOR 0.604
26 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.603
27 Will Bynum DET 0.596
28 Joe Johnson ATL 0.596
29 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.587
30 T.J. Ford IND 0.586

31 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.586
32 Zach Randolph LAC 0.586
33 Derrick Rose CHI 0.583
34 Richard Hamilton DET 0.579
35 Kevin Durant OKC 0.573
36 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.571
37 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.570
38 Yao Ming HOU 0.568
39 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.565
40 Brad Miller CHI 0.559
41 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.557
42 Michael Redd MIL 0.556
43 Mo Williams CLE 0.552
44 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.546
45 Caron Butler WAS 0.543
46 Ben Gordon CHI 0.540
47 Jason Kidd DAL 0.540
48 Zach Randolph NYK 0.540
49 Kevin Martin SAC 0.539
50 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.539
51 David Lee NYK 0.537
52 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.537
53 Baron Davis LAC 0.530
54 Ray Allen BOS 0.528
55 J.R. Smith DEN 0.527
56 Drew Gooden SAS 0.527
57 Mike Bibby ATL 0.526
58 Paul Millsap UTA 0.525
59 Dwight Howard ORL 0.524
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.523

61 David West NOH 0.519
62 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.519
63 Brandan Wright GSW 0.518
64 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.517
65 Will Solomon TOR 0.515
66 Rashad McCants SAC 0.515
67 Marreese Speights PHI 0.510
68 Paul Pierce BOS 0.510
69 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.510
70 Jason Richardson PHO 0.506
71 Roy Hibbert IND 0.505
72 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.504
73 John Salmons SAC 0.503
74 Jose Barea DAL 0.500
75 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.499
76 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.498
77 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.498
78 Jason Richardson CHA 0.498
79 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.497
80 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.496
81 Craig Smith MIN 0.496
82 Corey Maggette GSW 0.494
83 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.493
84 Rafer Alston ORL 0.492
85 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.490
86 Michael Beasley MIA 0.488
87 Louis Williams PHI 0.487
88 Steve Blake POR 0.485
89 Josh Howard DAL 0.483
90 Monta Ellis GSW 0.482

91 Kevin Love MIN 0.482
92 Travis Diener IND 0.482
93 Troy Murphy IND 0.481
94 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.479
95 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.479
96 Nene Hilario DEN 0.478
97 Carl Landry HOU 0.477
98 Al Harrington NYK 0.476
99 Allen Iverson DET 0.471
100 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.471
101 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.471
102 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.470
103 Boris Diaw CHA 0.470
104 Brad Miller SAC 0.470
105 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.469
106 Luis Scola HOU 0.467
107 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.467
108 Raymond Felton CHA 0.466
109 Randy Foye MIN 0.464
110 Chris Quinn MIA 0.462
111 Chris Duhon NYK 0.459
112 John Salmons CHI 0.458
113 Leon Powe BOS 0.457
114 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.456
115 Shawn Marion TOR 0.455
116 C.J. Watson GSW 0.453
117 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.453
118 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.453
119 Eddie House BOS 0.451
120 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.449

121 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.448
122 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.446
123 Brook Lopez NJN 0.446
124 Eric Gordon LAC 0.445
125 Ron Artest HOU 0.445
126 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.443
127 Beno Udrih SAC 0.442
128 Mike Conley MEM 0.441
129 Lamar Odom LAL 0.441
130 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.439
131 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.439
132 Jarrett Jack IND 0.436
133 Drew Gooden CHI 0.436
134 Rafer Alston HOU 0.435
135 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.435
136 Von Wafer HOU 0.433
137 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.432
138 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.432
139 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.432
140 Grant Hill PHO 0.430
141 Brandon Bass DAL 0.430
142 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.428
143 Greg Oden POR 0.427
144 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.427
145 Antonio McDyess DET 0.426
146 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.426
147 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.426
148 Ronald Murray ATL 0.425
149 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.425
150 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.424

151 Mike Miller MIN 0.424
152 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.422
153 Al Horford ATL 0.422
154 Luke Walton LAL 0.421
155 Darius Songaila WAS 0.420
156 Matt Bonner SAS 0.420
157 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.420
158 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.418
159 Roko Ukic TOR 0.418
160 Joakim Noah CHI 0.416
161 C.J. Miles UTA 0.416
162 Delonte West CLE 0.415
163 Andray Blatche WAS 0.415
164 Steve Novak LAC 0.414
165 Derek Fisher LAL 0.414
166 Joe Smith CLE 0.413
167 Marcus Camby LAC 0.412
168 Nick Young WAS 0.411
169 James Singleton DAL 0.410
170 Marc Gasol MEM 0.409
171 JaVale McGee WAS 0.409
172 Tim Thomas NYK 0.408
173 Josh Smith ATL 0.408
174 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.408
175 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.407
176 Larry Hughes CHI 0.407
177 Marvin Williams ATL 0.406
178 Nick Collison OKC 0.406
179 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.406
180 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.406

181 Luol Deng CHI 0.405
182 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.404
183 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.403
184 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.403
185 Earl Watson OKC 0.403
186 Jared Dudley PHO 0.402
187 Marquis Daniels IND 0.402
188 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.401
189 Rudy Gay MEM 0.401
190 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.401
191 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.400
192 Jason Thompson SAC 0.399
193 Matt Barnes PHO 0.399
194 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.398
195 Travis Outlaw POR 0.394
196 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.394
197 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.394
198 Jeff Green OKC 0.393
199 Matt Harpring UTA 0.392
200 Boris Diaw PHO 0.392
201 Jason Maxiell DET 0.392
202 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.391
203 Willie Green PHI 0.391
204 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.390
205 Juwan Howard CHA 0.386
206 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.386
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.385
208 Joe Smith OKC 0.385
209 Shawn Marion MIA 0.385
210 Acie Law ATL 0.384

211 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.383
212 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.381
213 Erick Dampier DAL 0.381
214 Al Thornton LAC 0.379
215 Jeff Foster IND 0.379
216 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.379
217 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.377
218 Kyle Korver UTA 0.375
219 Anthony Parker TOR 0.374
220 Roger Mason SAS 0.373
221 Larry Hughes NYK 0.370
222 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.370
223 Raja Bell CHA 0.370
224 Goran Dragic PHO 0.367
225 Joey Graham TOR 0.366
226 Chris Kaman LAC 0.366
227 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.365
228 Gerald Green DAL 0.365
229 Rob Kurz GSW 0.365
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.364
231 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.364
232 Aaron Gray CHI 0.360
233 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.359
234 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.359
235 Chris Andersen DEN 0.358
236 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.357
237 George Hill SAS 0.356
238 Mike James WAS 0.355
239 Elton Brand PHI 0.354
240 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.354

241 Mike Taylor LAC 0.354
242 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.353
243 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.353
244 Corey Brewer MIN 0.353
245 Bobby Brown SAC 0.353
246 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.352
247 Fred Jones LAC 0.349
248 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.349
249 Shannon Brown CHA 0.349
250 Keith Bogans MIL 0.347
251 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.346
252 Mardy Collins LAC 0.346
253 Luther Head HOU 0.346
254 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.346
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.345
256 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.345
257 Charlie Bell MIL 0.345
258 Brevin Knight UTA 0.343
259 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.340
260 Mikki Moore BOS 0.340
261 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.340
262 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.338
263 Nicolas Batum POR 0.338
264 Paul Davis LAC 0.337
265 Amir Johnson DET 0.337
266 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.336
267 Jamario Moon TOR 0.335
268 Jason Kapono TOR 0.334
269 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.333
270 Louis Amundson PHO 0.330

271 Walter Herrmann DET 0.329
272 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.329
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.328
274 Glen Davis BOS 0.328
275 Michael Finley SAS 0.327
276 Darko Milicic MEM 0.326
277 Josh Powell LAL 0.324
278 Maurice Evans ATL 0.324
279 Tony Allen BOS 0.322
280 Josh Boone NJN 0.319
281 Tony Battie ORL 0.319
282 Solomon Jones ATL 0.318
283 Rodney Carney MIN 0.318
284 Joe Alexander MIL 0.318
285 Rasual Butler NOH 0.317
286 Daequan Cook MIA 0.314
287 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.313
288 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.310
289 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.309
290 Channing Frye POR 0.308
291 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.307
292 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.306
293 Courtney Lee ORL 0.306
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.305
295 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.305
296 Jared Dudley CHA 0.304
297 Stephen Graham IND 0.303
298 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.303
299 Morris Peterson NOH 0.303
300 Ronnie Price UTA 0.302

301 Robert Swift OKC 0.300
302 Robin Lopez PHO 0.300
303 Malik Allen MIL 0.299
304 Julian Wright NOH 0.299
305 J.J. Redick ORL 0.298
306 Malik Rose OKC 0.294
307 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.294
308 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.293
309 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.293
310 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.293
311 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.292
312 Joel Przybilla POR 0.291
313 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.291
314 Raja Bell PHO 0.286
315 Rashad McCants MIN 0.286
316 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.284
317 Ricky Davis LAC 0.283
318 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.279
319 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.277
320 Jamario Moon MIA 0.277
321 Shane Battier HOU 0.276
322 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.275
323 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.273
324 Devin Brown NOH 0.273
325 Brent Barry HOU 0.272
326 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.271
327 Antoine Wright DAL 0.271
328 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.270
329 James Posey NOH 0.268
330 Shelden Williams SAC 0.267

331 Brandon Rush IND 0.266
332 Arron Afflalo DET 0.266
333 Francisco Elson MIL 0.266
334 Mikki Moore SAC 0.263
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.258
336 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.256
337 Jason Hart LAC 0.254
338 Kwame Brown DET 0.253
339 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.252
340 Brian Skinner LAC 0.251
341 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.251
342 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.250
343 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.247
344 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.246
345 Johan Petro OKC 0.243
346 Ime Udoka SAS 0.240
347 James Jones MIA 0.238
348 Adam Morrison CHA 0.238
349 Etan Thomas WAS 0.233
350 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.229
351 Sean Marks NOH 0.226
352 Marko Jaric MEM 0.226
353 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.225
354 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.224
355 Melvin Ely NOH 0.224
356 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.221
357 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.218
358 Reggie Evans PHI 0.217
359 Royal Ivey PHI 0.217
360 Keith Bogans ORL 0.216

361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.215
362 Sean Williams NJN 0.215
363 Ben Wallace CLE 0.214
364 Desmond Mason OKC 0.207
365 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.205
366 Matt Carroll CHA 0.204
367 Quinton Ross MEM 0.203
368 Greg Buckner MEM 0.193
369 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.188
370 Joel Anthony MIA 0.183
371 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.180
372 Devean George DAL 0.178
373 Sean May CHA 0.177
374 Donte Greene SAC 0.166
375 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.138
376 Jason Collins MIN 0.112

The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.

A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .406.
2. The very best guards in basketball are ones who, although they are not afraid to drive to the hoop from time to time, are able to make outside shots at a good rate. Also, guards in general, and especially point guards, are usually primarily responsible for making assists. These two are among the several reasons why the better guards in pro basketball will have the highest offensive sub ratings in the League. For more, see the User Guide, especially the section near the end of it titled "THE BEST GUARDS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS".

Wednesday, July 1, 2009

NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Real Defensive Quality, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
DEFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO DEFENSIVE QUALITY
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked defensive actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

1 Marcus Camby LAC 0.600
2 Joel Przybilla POR 0.560
3 Dwight Howard ORL 0.559
4 Ben Wallace CLE 0.545
5 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.541
6 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.531
7 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.527
8 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.514
9 Jamario Moon TOR 0.513
10 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.499
11 Shawn Marion MIA 0.491
12 Elton Brand PHI 0.484
13 Lamar Odom LAL 0.482
14 Chris Andersen DEN 0.478
15 Yao Ming HOU 0.474
16 Julian Wright NOH 0.471
17 Zach Randolph NYK 0.460
18 LeBron James CLE 0.454
19 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.450
20 Al Horford ATL 0.450
21 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.445
22 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.442
23 Tim Duncan SAS 0.441
24 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.441
25 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.437
26 Brevin Knight UTA 0.436
27 Joel Anthony MIA 0.435
28 Al Jefferson MIN 0.434
29 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.433
30 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.432

31 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.431
32 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.427
33 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.427
34 Shelden Williams SAC 0.423
35 Josh Boone NJN 0.423
36 Kwame Brown DET 0.422
37 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.422
38 Troy Murphy IND 0.421
39 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.421
40 Johan Petro OKC 0.419
41 James Singleton DAL 0.418
42 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.417
43 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.416
44 Josh Smith ATL 0.413
45 Darko Milicic MEM 0.412
46 Boris Diaw PHO 0.408
47 Joakim Noah CHI 0.408
48 Amir Johnson DET 0.405
49 Malik Rose OKC 0.403
50 Nene Hilario DEN 0.402
51 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.402
52 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.401
53 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.400
54 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.399
55 Ime Udoka SAS 0.399
56 Michael Beasley MIA 0.398
57 Andray Blatche WAS 0.396
58 Joe Smith OKC 0.395
59 Paul Millsap UTA 0.393
60 Jason Kidd DAL 0.392

61 Jeff Foster IND 0.390
62 Chris Kaman LAC 0.390
63 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.388
64 Brandan Wright GSW 0.386
65 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.384
66 Erick Dampier DAL 0.380
67 Marko Jaric MEM 0.377
68 Antonio McDyess DET 0.372
69 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.372
70 Chris Bosh TOR 0.370
71 David Lee NYK 0.369
72 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.367
73 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.365
74 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.364
75 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.362
76 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.361
77 Ron Artest HOU 0.361
78 Chris Paul NOH 0.360
79 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.360
80 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.358
81 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.357
82 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.357
83 Brad Miller CHI 0.357
84 Zach Randolph LAC 0.356
85 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.354
86 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.353
87 Brook Lopez NJN 0.353
88 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.352
89 Tony Battie ORL 0.351
90 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.349

91 Pau Gasol LAL 0.348
92 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.347
93 Drew Gooden CHI 0.342
94 Paul Davis LAC 0.342
95 Luol Deng CHI 0.341
96 Kevin Love MIN 0.341
97 Corey Brewer MIN 0.340
98 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.339
99 Louis Amundson PHO 0.338
100 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.337
101 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.336
102 Brian Skinner LAC 0.336
103 Matt Harpring UTA 0.336
104 Grant Hill PHO 0.336
105 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.335
106 Delonte West CLE 0.333
107 Brad Miller SAC 0.331
108 Tony Allen BOS 0.330
109 Leon Powe BOS 0.329
110 Rashad McCants SAC 0.327
111 Jamario Moon MIA 0.326
112 Tim Thomas NYK 0.326
113 Luis Scola HOU 0.326
114 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.325
115 Devin Brown NOH 0.325
116 Etan Thomas WAS 0.325
117 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.323
118 Josh Howard DAL 0.321
119 Matt Bonner SAS 0.319
120 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.319

121 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.319
122 Jared Dudley PHO 0.318
123 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.318
124 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.316
125 Jason Thompson SAC 0.316
126 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.315
127 Shane Battier HOU 0.315
128 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.315
129 Kyle Korver UTA 0.314
130 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.314
131 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.314
132 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.311
133 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.311
134 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.311
135 Nick Collison OKC 0.310
136 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.310
137 David West NOH 0.310
138 Mikki Moore SAC 0.309
139 Marquis Daniels IND 0.308
140 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.305
141 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.305
142 Ronald Murray ATL 0.305
143 Kevin Durant OKC 0.303
144 Brandon Bass DAL 0.303
145 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.302
146 Al Harrington NYK 0.302
147 Darius Songaila WAS 0.301
148 Marvin Williams ATL 0.301
149 Marc Gasol MEM 0.301
150 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.301

151 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.300
152 Greg Buckner MEM 0.299
153 James Posey NOH 0.298
154 Mike Miller MIN 0.298
155 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.297
156 J.R. Smith DEN 0.297
157 Robert Swift OKC 0.296
158 Morris Peterson NOH 0.294
159 Reggie Evans PHI 0.293
160 Greg Oden POR 0.293
161 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.292
162 Joe Smith CLE 0.292
163 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.292
164 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.292
165 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.290
166 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.289
167 Allen Iverson DET 0.289
168 Daequan Cook MIA 0.288
169 Shawn Marion TOR 0.288
170 Anthony Parker TOR 0.287
171 Mardy Collins LAC 0.285
172 Danny Granger IND 0.285
173 Paul Pierce BOS 0.285
174 Andre Miller PHI 0.285
175 Goran Dragic PHO 0.284
176 Anthony Carter DEN 0.283
177 JaVale McGee WAS 0.283
178 Donte Greene SAC 0.283
179 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.283
180 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.282

181 Acie Law ATL 0.282
182 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.281
183 Boris Diaw CHA 0.281
184 Luke Walton LAL 0.281
185 Jason Hart LAC 0.281
186 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.280
187 Larry Hughes CHI 0.280
188 Raymond Felton CHA 0.279
189 Robin Lopez PHO 0.278
190 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.277
191 Desmond Mason OKC 0.275
192 C.J. Watson GSW 0.275
193 Quinton Ross MEM 0.275
194 Drew Gooden SAS 0.274
195 Travis Diener IND 0.274
196 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.272
197 Brandon Roy POR 0.271
198 James Jones MIA 0.270
199 Mike Conley MEM 0.270
200 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.268
201 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.268
202 Jeff Green OKC 0.268
203 Rodney Carney MIN 0.268
204 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.267
205 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.266
206 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.266
207 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.265
208 Caron Butler WAS 0.265
209 Keith Bogans ORL 0.265
210 Brandon Rush IND 0.265

211 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.264
212 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.263
213 Baron Davis LAC 0.260
214 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.259
215 Rafer Alston ORL 0.259
216 Jared Dudley CHA 0.258
217 George Hill SAS 0.258
218 Craig Smith MIN 0.258
219 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.258
220 Matt Barnes PHO 0.258
221 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.256
222 Eddie House BOS 0.256
223 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.256
224 Joe Johnson ATL 0.255
225 Matt Carroll CHA 0.254
226 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.254
227 Nate Robinson NYK 0.252
228 Ronnie Price UTA 0.252
229 Mike Taylor LAC 0.251
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.250
231 Sean May CHA 0.248
232 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.248
233 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.248
234 Francisco Elson MIL 0.248
235 T.J. Ford IND 0.248
236 Carl Landry HOU 0.247
237 Rob Kurz GSW 0.247
238 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.245
239 Joey Graham TOR 0.243
240 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.243

241 Roy Hibbert IND 0.243
242 Sean Marks NOH 0.242
243 Nicolas Batum POR 0.242
244 Travis Outlaw POR 0.242
245 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.239
246 Rudy Gay MEM 0.238
247 Sean Williams NJN 0.238
248 Aaron Gray CHI 0.237
249 Mo Williams CLE 0.237
250 Steve Blake POR 0.236
251 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.235
252 Jose Barea DAL 0.234
253 Michael Redd MIL 0.234
254 Ray Allen BOS 0.233
255 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.233
256 Larry Hughes NYK 0.233
257 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.233
258 Derek Fisher LAL 0.233
259 Mike Bibby ATL 0.233
260 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.231
261 Vince Carter NJN 0.229
262 Corey Maggette GSW 0.227
263 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.227
264 Brent Barry HOU 0.226
265 Rashad McCants MIN 0.225
266 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.224
267 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.224
268 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.223
269 Will Bynum DET 0.223
270 Jarrett Jack IND 0.222

271 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.222
272 Jason Terry DAL 0.222
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.221
274 John Salmons SAC 0.221
275 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.221
276 Nick Young WAS 0.220
277 Chris Quinn MIA 0.220
278 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.218
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.218
280 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.218
281 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.217
282 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.217
283 Monta Ellis GSW 0.216
284 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.216
285 Walter Herrmann DET 0.216
286 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.215
287 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.214
288 Michael Finley SAS 0.213
289 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.213
290 Jose Calderon TOR 0.213
291 Devin Harris NJN 0.211
292 John Salmons CHI 0.211
293 Al Thornton LAC 0.211
294 Rasual Butler NOH 0.209
295 Beno Udrih SAC 0.209
296 Roger Mason SAS 0.208
297 Keith Bogans MIL 0.207
298 Eric Gordon LAC 0.206
299 Rafer Alston HOU 0.206
300 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.206

301 Jason Maxiell DET 0.205
302 Jason Richardson PHO 0.205
303 Mike James WAS 0.204
304 Steve Nash PHO 0.204
305 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.204
306 Tony Parker SAS 0.202
307 Raja Bell PHO 0.201
308 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.201
309 Courtney Lee ORL 0.200
310 Devean George DAL 0.199
311 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.198
312 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.198
313 Ben Gordon CHI 0.197
314 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.196
315 Stephen Graham IND 0.195
316 Jason Richardson CHA 0.195
317 Glen Davis BOS 0.194
318 Maurice Evans ATL 0.194
319 Roko Ukic TOR 0.194
320 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.193
321 Marreese Speights PHI 0.193
322 Derrick Rose CHI 0.191
323 Chris Duhon NYK 0.190
324 Von Wafer HOU 0.189
325 Willie Green PHI 0.189
326 Louis Williams PHI 0.189
327 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.188
328 Malik Allen MIL 0.187
329 Earl Watson OKC 0.187
330 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.186

331 Fred Jones LAC 0.184
332 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.183
333 Randy Foye MIN 0.182
334 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.182
335 J.J. Redick ORL 0.181
336 Steve Novak LAC 0.180
337 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.180
338 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.173
339 Jason Collins MIN 0.173
340 Will Solomon TOR 0.168
341 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.168
342 Kevin Martin SAC 0.168
343 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.167
344 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.166
345 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.165
346 Deron Williams UTA 0.165
347 Charlie Bell MIL 0.165
348 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.165
349 Joe Alexander MIL 0.163
350 Richard Hamilton DET 0.163
351 Solomon Jones ATL 0.160
352 Gerald Green DAL 0.159
353 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.155
354 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.152
355 Antoine Wright DAL 0.150
356 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.149
357 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.148
358 Channing Frye POR 0.147
359 Shannon Brown CHA 0.143
360 Jason Kapono TOR 0.139

361 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.136
362 Josh Powell LAL 0.122
363 Arron Afflalo DET 0.120
364 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.114
365 Mikki Moore BOS 0.110
366 Ricky Davis LAC 0.109
367 Royal Ivey PHI 0.105
368 C.J. Miles UTA 0.103
369 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.102
370 Adam Morrison CHA 0.097
371 Luther Head HOU 0.094
372 Juwan Howard CHA 0.094
373 Melvin Ely NOH 0.089
374 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.070
375 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.058
376 Bobby Brown SAC 0.040

The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.

A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .285.
2. Centers and forwards are generally expected to have substantially higher defensive ratings than guards. Conversely, the best offensive guards are expected to have higher offensive ratings than those of most forwards and centers.

Washington Wizards Final Real Player Ratings, 2008-09 Season

WASHINGTON WIZARDS 2008-09
MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS
Congratulations and respect are due to ANTAWN JAMISON, who led the Wizards in quality basketball this season.

Congratulations and respect are due to ANTAWN JAMISON, who contributed more than any other player to the Wizards this season.

HISTORIC SUPER STARS
None

SUPERSTARS
None

STARS
Antawn Jamison
Andray Blatche
Caron Butler

OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
None

BEST BY SIDE OF COURT
BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER
Antawn Jamison

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER
Andray Blatche

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Quality of Players: Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending

Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
Caron Butler WAS 0.808
Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
Nick Young WAS 0.631
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
Mike James WAS 0.559
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
Real Player Production (RPP) is the factored sum of all the good things minus the sum of all the bad things a player has done since the season began. Starting in June 2009, RPP is upgraded to include an estimate for the value of each player's hidden defending. See the User Guide for complete details about this. RPP adjusted for hidden defending is called Total Real Player Production (TRPP). Generally, only TRPP will appear in reports.

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
FINAL TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Quantity of Players: Includes all tracked actions and an estimate for hidden defending

Antawn Jamison WAS 2734.88
Caron Butler WAS 2089.41
Andray Blatche WAS 1380.43
Dominic McGuire WAS 1267.01
Nick Young WAS 1158.74
Darius Songaila WAS 1097.11
Mike James WAS 880.38
JaVale McGee WAS 790.97
Javaris Crittenton WAS 630.35
Juan Dixon WAS 448.31
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 383.10
Etan Thomas WAS 170.66

========== OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS ==================================

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
OVERALL OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Offensive Quality: Includes all non-trivial offensive actions

Antawn Jamison WAS 0.570
Caron Butler WAS 0.543
Darius Songaila WAS 0.420
Andray Blatche WAS 0.415
Nick Young WAS 0.411
JaVale McGee WAS 0.409
Mike James WAS 0.355
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.340
Juan Dixon WAS 0.328
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.275
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.246
Etan Thomas WAS 0.233

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
OVERALL DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Defending Quality: Includes both tracked and hidden defending

Andray Blatche WAS 0.396
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.336
Etan Thomas WAS 0.325
Antawn Jamison WAS 0.314
Darius Songaila WAS 0.301
JaVale McGee WAS 0.283
Caron Butler WAS 0.265
Juan Dixon WAS 0.221
Nick Young WAS 0.220
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.218
Mike James WAS 0.204
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.186

The breakdown between hidden and unhidden is available on request.

THE USER GUIDE for this and other reports using Real Player Rating IS UPDATED SUBSTANTIALLY as of June 9, 2009.

You must use the User Guide if you want to fully understand the value of the ratings, and also to best determine how you could best use them.

Utah Jazz Final Real Player Ratings, 2008-09 Season

UTAH JAZZ 2008-09
MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS
Congratulations and respect are due to DERON WILLIAMS, who led the Jazz in quality basketball this season.

Congratulations and respect are due to DERON WILLIAMS, who contributed more than any other player to the Jazz this season.

HISTORIC SUPER STARS
None

SUPERSTARS
DERON WILLIAMS
PAUL MILLSAP

STARS
Andrei Kirilenko
Kosta Koufos
Carlos Boozer

OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
Brevin Knight
Mehmet Okur

BEST BY SIDE OF COURT
BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER
Deron Williams

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER
Andrei Kirilenko

UTAH JAZZ
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Quality of Players: Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending

Deron Williams UTA 0.957
Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
C.J. Miles UTA 0.518

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
Real Player Production (RPP) is the factored sum of all the good things minus the sum of all the bad things a player has done since the season began. Starting in June 2009, RPP is upgraded to include an estimate for the value of each player's hidden defending. See the User Guide for complete details about this. RPP adjusted for hidden defending is called Total Real Player Production (TRPP). Generally, only TRPP will appear in reports.

UTAH JAZZ
FINAL TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Quantity of Players: Includes all tracked actions and an estimate for hidden defending

Deron Williams UTA 2397.17
Paul Millsap UTA 2102.41
Mehmet Okur UTA 1868.03
Ronnie Brewer UTA 1813.83
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 1619.95
Kyle Korver UTA 1290.38
Carlos Boozer UTA 965.15
C.J. Miles UTA 841.20
Brevin Knight UTA 730.48
Matt Harpring UTA 504.73
Kosta Koufos UTA 482.12
Ronnie Price UTA 408.54

========== OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS ==================================

UTAH JAZZ
OVERALL OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Offensive Quality: Includes all non-trivial offensive actions

Deron Williams UTA 0.792
Paul Millsap UTA 0.525
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.517
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.493
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.448
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.435
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.422
C.J. Miles UTA 0.416
Matt Harpring UTA 0.392
Kyle Korver UTA 0.375
Brevin Knight UTA 0.343
Ronnie Price UTA 0.302

UTAH JAZZ
OVERALL DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Defending Quality: Includes both tracked and hidden defending

Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.450
Brevin Knight UTA 0.436
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.431
Paul Millsap UTA 0.393
Matt Harpring UTA 0.336
Kyle Korver UTA 0.314
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.289
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.282
Ronnie Price UTA 0.252
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.248
Deron Williams UTA 0.165
C.J. Miles UTA 0.103

The breakdown between hidden and unhidden is available on request.

THE USER GUIDE for this and other reports using Real Player Rating IS UPDATED SUBSTANTIALLY as of June 9, 2009.

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Toronto Raptors Final Real Player Ratings, 2008-09 Season

TORONTO RAPTORS 2008-09
MOST VALUABLE PLAYERS
Congratulations and respect are due to CHRIS BOSH, who led the Raptors in quality basketball this season.

Congratulations and respect are due to CHRIS BOSH, who contributed more than any other player to the Raptors this season.

HISTORIC SUPER STARS
None

SUPERSTARS
CHRIS BOSH
JOSE CALDERON

STARS
Jamario Moon
Jermaine O'Neal

OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
None

BEST BY SIDE OF COURT
BEST OFFENSIVE PLAYER
Jose Calderon

BEST DEFENSIVE PLAYER
Jamario Moon

TORONTO RAPTORS
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Quality of Players: Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending

Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
Will Solomon TOR 0.684
Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
Joey Graham TOR 0.609
Jason Kapono TOR 0.473

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
Real Player Production (RPP) is the factored sum of all the good things minus the sum of all the bad things a player has done since the season began. Starting in June 2009, RPP is upgraded to include an estimate for the value of each player's hidden defending. See the User Guide for complete details about this. RPP adjusted for hidden defending is called Total Real Player Production (TRPP). Generally, only TRPP will appear in reports.

TORONTO RAPTORS
FINAL TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Quantity of Players: Includes all tracked actions and an estimate for hidden defending

Chris Bosh TOR 2849.87
Jose Calderon TOR 2107.47
Anthony Parker TOR 1742.94
Andrea Bargnani TOR 1606.97
Jamario Moon TOR 1170.13
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 1029.39
Joey Graham TOR 938.85
Jason Kapono TOR 865.67
Shawn Marion TOR 708.97
Roko Ukic TOR 544.51
Will Solomon TOR 371.90


========== OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS ==================================

TORONTO RAPTORS
OVERALL OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Offensive Quality: Includes all non-trivial offensive actions

Jose Calderon TOR 0.691
Chris Bosh TOR 0.604
Will Solomon TOR 0.515
Shawn Marion TOR 0.455
Roko Ukic TOR 0.418
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.407
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.401
Anthony Parker TOR 0.374
Joey Graham TOR 0.366
Jamario Moon TOR 0.335
Jason Kapono TOR 0.334

TORONTO RAPTORS
OVERALL DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2008-09 Regular Season
Defending Quality: Includes both tracked and hidden defending

Jamario Moon TOR 0.513
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.445
Chris Bosh TOR 0.370
Shawn Marion TOR 0.288
Anthony Parker TOR 0.287
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.248
Joey Graham TOR 0.243
Jose Calderon TOR 0.213
Roko Ukic TOR 0.194
Will Solomon TOR 0.168
Jason Kapono TOR 0.139

The breakdown between hidden and unhidden is available on request.

THE USER GUIDE for this and other reports using Real Player Rating IS UPDATED SUBSTANTIALLY as of June 9, 2009.

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--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
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--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
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--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
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NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
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