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Thursday, July 29, 2010

Al Harrington and Brian Butch to the Rescue: Laugh Out Loud, George Karl!

WHAT IS A “LAUGH OUT LOUD, GEORGE KARL!”?
This is supposed to be at least a bimonthly feature where Quest for the Ring (QFTR) takes a break from all the “basketball science” stuff which goes down around here most of the time.

Will this really be a bimonthly or better feature from now on? Maybe, since I have a brand new Production Plan which, unlike previous ones, is definitely something that can work in real life. (I have the full scientific management thing going now, folks.) On the other hand, I have always intended to occasionally mix in light posts with the full scale ones, but have never been able to actually do it. As with almost all other types of posts, I never have had the time to do as many “Laugh out Louds” as I want. Even if I did nothing in life but work on this site, I still would not have enough time to do everything I really want to do. The bottom line is that I will do everything possible to do a Laugh out Loud at least bimonthly, but we know from experience I often simply can not and do not do as many things as I want to or as I predict.

That damned Real Player Ratings Department is hogging all the resources, damn them anyway.

If you don’t know why the “George Karl” comes after the “Laugh Out Loud,” then you do not really understand basketball, you have not read QFTR much, or perhaps you think George Karl is a solid basketball man while QFTR is a garbage site. If that’s you, then you are a worth a laugh out loud yourself, and I wish you a good trip back to the hype zone. How did you ever get here in the first place?

I warn you that at a site this serious about basketball there is technically no such thing as a light and fluffy, meaningless post. Even the Laugh out Loud, George Karl! postings will contain some real information regarding our primary theme: how NBA playoff games and Championships are won and lost. The Laugh out Louds are simply less serious, shorter, and much less scientific renditions of full scale Reports. So you will still find some important information embedded in them if you look for it and think a little.

You will also often see some attempt at summarizing major recent themes and/or upcoming themes.

So put the dog out, take the phone off the hook, kick back, and prepare to “Laugh out Loud, George Karl!”

THE NUGGETS’ INFERIORITY COMPLEX REGARDING THEIR POWER FORWARDS AND CENTERS
This past season, while I should have been covering the Cavaliers and other key teams more than I did, while I was still “stuck on” the Nuggets (which was where this site started in the old days) I reported over and over again that George Karl had chosen Power Forward Renaldo Balkman to be the 2009-10 player who is going to ride the bench all year, no matter what. Every year Karl has to have at least one player who should be playing who is simply not allowed to play except in garbage time, because in Karl’s mind that player is a garbage player. Come hell or high water, regardless of how good he is on the court, that player is not going to play.

You see, Mr. Karl is one of those gradually going the way of the dinosaur type of coaches who think that personalities and playing styles are major factors for whether basketball teams win games. If a player has either an unusual personality or playing style, and/or he has a personality or playing style that is considered bad or poor in some sectors of the public, you can bet that Karl will be looking to make sure that player plays only in garbage time.

The Renaldo Balkman situation deserves additional serious comment outside of a Laugh out Loud, and I’ll have much more to say regarding Balkman in the near future, but for now just understand that Balkman was a well above average power forward during 2008-09, when Karl did play him. I guess to Karl it appeared back then that Balkman had a good personality. Although he never or almost never actually did start, Balkman was more than good enough to start at power forward and he was one of the key, “secret,” and surprise factors that allowed the Nuggets to defeat the Dallas Mavericks and advance to the 2009 West Conference Final to play the Los Angeles Lakers.

Balkman was in 2008-09 and almost certainly still is better than Kenyon Martin, the type of high paid, big name veteran who Karl will start regardless of personality or style, unless that player displays open hostility to him.

Martin displaying open hostility to Karl actually happened once. In 2006, Kenyon Martin and George Karl had a fierce argument about playing time and strategy for a round one playoff. Martin was representing Quest for the Ring (not exactly, just kidding). The result was that Kenyon Martin was suspended and got almost no playing time at all versus the LA Clippers. Almost all negative encounters with George Karl lead to less playing time.

Let’s look at Kenyon Martin (K-Mart) the way Karl does. Although K-Mart has a somewhat volatile personality, it’s nowhere near bad enough to offset the positive of his aggressive, conventional, and typical for a power forward playing style. Plus, he is a very highly paid veteran with a fairly big and fairly historic name. So all in all, K-Mart must start and get a lot of minutes even if a “reserve” is actually a much better player.

CHRIS ANDERSEN
Chris Andersen (a center or power forward) was in 2008-09 and in 2009-10 clearly better than Kenyon Martin. In fact, Chris Andersen was and is the best power forward on the Nuggets, period. It is nothing more than a dumb Nuggets’ myth that Kenyon Martin is the best power forward on the team. Just because Kenyon Martin is supposed to be much better than Chris Andersen doesn't guarantee that he actually is.

Andersen is one of the best defenders in the NBA, period. He should most definitely be starting (alongside Nene at center) and playing at least 30 minutes a game and 2,500 minutes a season. Whereas all Karl did was to increase Andersen's playing time this past season to 1,700 minutes from 1,450 the year before. I guess it could have been worse.

When Balkman didn’t play at all and when Chris Andersen didn’t play enough, it meant that the Nuggets’ best power forwards were sitting out while paint defending went to hell in a hand basket and while the Nuggets were defeated by a truly serious basketball team and franchise in round one, the Utah Jazz. This was repeatedly warned about here. (I don’t do hard, guaranteed predictions anymore, but I do warnings instead.)

One of a very small number of franchises that has never appeared in the NBA finals (gee, could it have something to do with the ownership or the coaches?) the bumbling Nuggets franchise, since they were defeated 4-2 in round one this year by the Jazz, have revealed that they are positively terrified that they might be on the verge of being one of the worst teams in the League up front (at center and power forward). This is a true “laugh out loud, George Karl” if there ever was one, because in point of fact the Nuggets had a decent crew of power forwards and centers before they panicked about not having one and set out to make it better.

But wait, they made what was a fairly good crew worse, not better! So now maybe they really will be one of the worst front courts in the NBA! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

NUGGETS' MANAGEMENT TO THE RESCUE?
So Nuggets’ management had a difficult problem to contend with this off season. What to do? How would they try to offset George Karl’s refusal to give credit where credit is due to Andersen and Balkman? You can’t go against Karl; you can’t disagree with his personality and style determinations. If Karl says Andersen and Balkman are poor players who deserve little or no playing time, you have to agree with that and go with that, laugh out loud.

So would Denver management recommend to the owner that the Nuggets quit the League and move to the developmental League? Or should they move to the Italian League? The Mongolian League? The Easter Island League?

No! There was no quit in this franchise! Nuggets’ management rode to the rescue by acquiring power forward superstar Al Harrington (four rings and one of Phil Jackson’s favorite players) and they backed him up by also acquiring the veteran, solid starter, always dependable Shelden Williams for that four spot that neither Andersen nor Balkman can hold down due to bad personalities and bad playing styles.

Al Harrington? Shelden Williams? Brian Butch, the new star Nuggets' Center? One of these is supposed to finally be that complete replacement for Marcus Camby, who was literally given away about two years ago?

Incidentally, it was ironically many of the Denver fans and not so much George Karl who were glad that Camby was given away, on account of Camby’s poor excuse for a playing style. The Camby Man’s personality was acceptable, but the playing style had to go, laugh out loud.

And you thought it was just the Coach in Denver who gets hung up on personalities and styles! Laugh out loud! For all you know and for all I know, half the state of Colorado is hung up with personalities and styles. In California (especially Southern California) unusual personalities and styles are often looked up to and given all the “playing time” in the world. Whereas in Colorado, the funky personalities and styles mostly sit and watch the games from their spots on the bench. "Take that seat over there, Chris Andersen, right next to Coby Karl, whose personality and playing style are to die for. Try to become like him!"

Oh dear Lord, the Nuggets apparently are going to be like a sieve in the paint in 2010-11. It looks like it will be even worse than 2009-10 was. Chris Andersen getting little playing time and/or Renaldo Balkman getting no playing time may very well repeat in 2010-11. After all, personalities and playing styles hardly change and George Karl is coming back again and he is still insisting talent doesn’t matter as much as personalities and styles do. Yes, he really is coming back, even after his cancer scare. And he is dragging his son Coby Karl with him. Together, the two of them are out to someday take over the entire NBA and bench everyone in it.

With Kenyon Martin getting old in basketball terms now, assuming Andersen is still forbidden from starting or playing quality minutes, and assuming Balkman plays little or not at all again, the Nuggets are indeed no better than average and very possibly one of the worst teams in the League at power forward-center!

LOOK OUT, LEBRON "YOU HORRIBLE MAN" JAMES
But I defiantly choose to look at things positively! I pronounce the Nuggets’ dilemma (you know, that one where they have good players but don’t play them) solved. Chris Andersen and Renaldo Balkman can ride the bench now in peace, while Al Harrington, Shelden Williams, and Brian Butch take care of matters in the paint.

You are good to go now, Denver! With Al Harrington, Brian Butch, and Kobe Karl, you now have the kind of lock down defense needed to go all the way to the 2011 NBA finals and to win the Quest using a football type strategy! Harrington and Kobe Karl will stop that bad man, LeBron James, right in his tracks! You are going to utterly destroy LeBron James and those upstart Heat, Denver. You will reach the promise land now!

Seriously and for real, Laugh out Loud, George Karl!

PS: Al Harrington is definitely not a superstar, definitely does not have four rings, and definitely is not one of Phil Jackson’s favorite players.

Monday, July 26, 2010

NBA Centers Final Offensive and Defensive Sub Ratings, 2009-10

NBA CENTERS OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON


POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

All the players in this Report are centers.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

NBA CENTERS' REAL OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the quality of centers' offense
--Includes all non-trivial offensive actions
--The average offensive sub rating for all NBA centers who play 300 minutes or more is about .340
--All NBA centers who played at least 300 minutes are included

MORE THAN .900
None: centers will never be in this range

.800 to .899
None: centers will never be in this range

.700 to .799
None: centers will rarely if ever be in this range

.600 to .699
1 David Lee NWYR C 0.608

.500 to .599
None

.400 to .499
2 Greg Oden PORT C 0.487
3 Al Horford ATLA C 0.483
4 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.479
5 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.473
6 Andrew Bogut MILW C 0.463
7 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.462
8 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.459
9 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.458
10 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.454
11 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.447
12 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.446
13 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.427
14 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.427
15 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.415
16 Marcus Camby LACL C 0.415
17 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.414
18 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.414
19 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.413

.300 to .399
20 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.399
21 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.393
22 Dwight Howard ORLA C 0.392
23 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.390
24 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.389
25 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.382
26 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.370
27 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.356
28 David Andersen HOUS C 0.355
29 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.353
30 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.345
31 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.343
32 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.343
33 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.340

THE AVERAGE OFFENSIVE SUB RATING OF NBA CENTERS IS ABOUT .340

34 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.334
35 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.331
36 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.326
37 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.323
38 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.320
39 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.311
40 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.303
41 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.303

.200 to .299
42 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.295
43 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.293
44 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.287
45 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.285
46 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.282
47 Johan Petro DENV C 0.268
48 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.265
49 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.248
50 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.243
51 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.232
52 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.229
53 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.229
54 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.221
55 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.220
56 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.218

.100 to .199
57 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.183
58 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.175
59 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.164
60 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.108
61 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.102

LESS THAN .100
62 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.094

NBA CENTERS' REAL DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows the real quality of centers' defending
--Includes both tracked and untracked or hidden defending
--The average defensive sub rating for all NBA centers who play 300 minutes or more is about .410
--All NBA centers who played 300 minutes or more are included

ABOVE .720
1 Dwight Howard ORLA C 0.730

.640 to .719
2 Marcus Camby LACL C 0.656
3 Andrew Bogut MILW C 0.649

.560 to .639
4 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.633
5 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.607
6 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.599
7 Greg Oden PORT C 0.573
8 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.563

.480 to .559
9 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.557
10 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.531
11 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.528
12 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.521
13 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.520
14 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.492
15 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.489
16 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.487
17 Al Horford ATLA C 0.486
18 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.480

.400 to .479
19 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.477
20 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.474
21 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.466
22 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.452
23 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.448
24 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.444
25 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.441
26 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.438
27 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.433
28 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.432
29 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.430
30 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.425
31 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.421
32 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.421
33 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.415

THE AVERAGE DEFENSIVE SUB RATING OF NBA CENTERS IS ABOUT .410

34 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.406
35 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.402
36 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.401

.320 to .399
37 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.393
38 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.391
39 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.386
40 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.385
41 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.372
42 Johan Petro DENV C 0.366
43 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.364
44 David Lee NWYR C 0.363
45 David Andersen HOUS C 0.360
46 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.344
47 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.343
48 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.334

.240 to .319
49 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.317
50 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.291
51 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.288
52 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.287
53 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.280
54 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.269

.160 to .239
55 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.236
56 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.225
57 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.201
58 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.189
59 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.164
60 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.164

.080 to .159
61 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.148

LESS THAN .080
62 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.066

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.

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Sunday, July 25, 2010

NBA Centers Final Real Player Ratings and Real Player Production, 2009-10

NBA CENTERS REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON


POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

All the players in this Report are centers.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS FOR CENTERS
Perfect Center for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.150 and more
Historic Super Star Center 1.050 1.149
Super Star Center 0.950 1.049
A Star Center / A well above normal starter 0.870 0.949
Very Good Center / A solid starter 0.810 0.869
Major Role Player Center / Good enough to start 0.750 0.809
Good Role Player Center / Often a good 6th man 0.690 0.749
Satisfactory Role Player Center / Generally should not start 0.630 0.689
Marginal Role Player Center / Should never start 0.570 0.629
Poor Center / 0.510 0.569
Very Poor Center 0.450 0.509
Extremely Poor Center .449 and less

NBA CENTERS REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of centers
--Includes all tracked actions and includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for NBA centers who play 300 minutes or more is about .750
--The evaluation scale above is custom made for centers
--All centers who have played at least 300 minutes are included

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTAR CENTERS
None

HISTORIC SUPERSTAR CENTERS
1 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
2 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112
3 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
4 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060

SUPERSTAR CENTERS
5 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
6 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
7 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
8 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955

STAR CENTERS
9 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
10 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
11 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
12 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
13 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
14 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877

VERY GOOD CENTERS / SOLID STARTERS
15 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
16 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
17 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
18 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
19 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
20 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
21 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818

MAJOR ROLE PLAYER CENTERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
22 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
23 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
24 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
25 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
26 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
27 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
28 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
29 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
30 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
31 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754

THE AVERAGE REAL PLAYER RATING FOR NBA CENTERS
for all power forwards who play 300 minutes or more is about .750

GOOD ROLE PLAYER CENTERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
32 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
33 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
34 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
35 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
36 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
37 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
38 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
39 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
40 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
41 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYER CENTERS / GENERALLY SHOULD NOT START
42 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
43 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
44 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
45 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
46 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
47 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
48 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
49 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYER CENTERS / SHOULD NEVER START
50 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
51 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
52 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
53 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591

POOR CENTERS
54 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
55 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
56 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
57 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512

VERY POOR CENTERS
58 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
59 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452

EXTREMELY POOR CENTERS
60 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
61 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
62 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329

NBA CENTERS' REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
--Shows how much of real basketball value centers really produced
--Includes all tracked actions and includes the value of untracked or hidden defending
--All centers who played at least 300 minutes are included

MORE THAN 4,000
None

3,500 to 3,999
None

3,000 to 3,499
1 Dwight Howard ORLA C 3188.26

2,500 to 2,999
2 David Lee NWYR C 2931.94
3 Al Horford ATLA C 2758.25

2,000 to 2,499
4 Andrew Bogut MILW C 2478.50
5 Nene Hilario DENV C 2347.75
6 Brook Lopez NJRS C 2330.73
7 Marc Gasol MEMP C 2184.22
8 Al Jefferson MINN C 2108.33
9 Chris Kaman LACL C 2042.48
10 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 2021.27

1,500 to 1,999
11 Andrew Bynum LALK C 1850.72
12 Joakim Noah CHIC C 1838.35
13 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 1834.13
14 Roy Hibbert INDI C 1790.71
15 Emeka Okafor NORL C 1757.82
16 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 1739.32
17 Andray Blatche WASH C 1738.22
18 Ben Wallace DETR C 1731.40
19 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 1718.32
20 Marcus Camby LACL C 1708.59
21 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 1652.96
22 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 1603.27
23 Channing Frye PHNX C 1601.49

1,000 to 1,499
24 Brad Miller CHIC C 1403.75
25 Spencer Hawes SACR C 1295.48
26 Brendan Haywood WASH C 1200.50
27 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 1117.57
28 Erick Dampier DALL C 1056.96
29 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 1043.80
30 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 1015.47

500 to 999
31 Joel Anthony MIAM C 824.79
32 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 823.99
33 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 804.56
34 Josh Boone NJRS C 750.49
35 Marcus Camby PORT C 694.15
36 Brendan Haywood DALL C 688.70
37 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 675.34
38 Robin Lopez PHNX C 674.55
39 JaVale McGee WASH C 671.77
40 David Andersen HOUS C 637.18
41 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 629.56
42 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 586.19
43 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 582.32
44 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 534.06
45 Joel Przybilla PORT C 532.73
46 Greg Oden PORT C 532.04

LESS THAN 500
47 Ryan Hollins MINN C 429.81
48 Darko Milicic MINN C 414.09
49 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 405.57
50 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 334.46
51 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 304.25
52 Kwame Brown DETR C 298.23
53 Johan Petro DENV C 276.69
54 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 270.30
55 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 263.24
56 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 257.44
57 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 236.68
58 Mikki Moore GOLS C 227.90
59 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 213.39
60 Chris Wilcox DETR C 183.92
61 Etan Thomas OKLA C 172.55
62 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 155.20

OFFENSIVE AND DEFENSIVE SUB RATINGS
The offensive and the defensive sub ratings for these centers follow in the next Report.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.

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MESSAGE BOARDS AT HUGE COROPORATIONS
The Fox NBA board is very low traffic, and the MSNBC NBA board doesn't exist anymore. The CBS Sports NBA Message Board is a layered site; you can NOT post topics nor expect to be considered seriously there until you have spent a few years posting there. We do not recommend CBS Sports. So the only real, fully open NBA forum hosted by a big corporation is the ESPN message board. Be forewarned though that the ESPN board is dominated by very young fans who make very short comments. On the other hand, it is a high traffic site, so we won't stop you from posting a Quest link at ESPN if you want to.

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LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD

LAKERS SIGN IN HOLLYWOOD
The Nuggets are scary, but Lakers fans can breathe a sigh of relief when they think of who coaches them!

>>>I WANT TO STICK WITH THE WAY OTHER SITES PRESENT POSTS
Due to the number of, uniqueness of, and importance of the many other home page features we have, only one Report loads at a time, currently the one just above. To see the next Report (which would be the one that came out just before the one above) on this home page, click "Older Posts" that is at the very bottom of the Report showing above, just above the section header "Your Ball: Take Your Best Shot".

>>ALTERNATIVE HOME PAGES
There are three home pages, all of which have all of the Reports but which have completely different features appearing on the sidebar and below the one Report that is shown at a time. These pages have been designed so that they fully load in about 10 seconds (no more super long load times we used to be known for.)

HOME PAGE A: ALL REPORTS, READERS CONTAINING REPORTS 1-100, AND UNIQUE FEATURES
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>>REPORT READERS: Complete freedom to rapidly choose and read what you need or want to read. The latest 40 Reports are found near the top of all three of the primary home pages (linked to just above) while Reports #41-#100 are found in three separate readers placed at various points down the page on all three primary home pages.

>>EXPRESS VERSION: Every Single Report but no Features: a Fast Loading Page: Click Here

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>>QUEST ARCHIVE HOME PAGES--REPORT ARCHIVES AND A SMALL NUMBER OF CLASSIC FEATURES THAT WON'T FIT ON OTHER HOME PAGES
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>>FEATURES ONLY HOME PAGES: NO REPORTS, JUST FEATURES THAT WE CAN'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE
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>>COMPLETE TITLE INDEX: : A Complete Report Title Index, with Express Version Links to all Reports

>>LATEST 25 Reports: Direct links to the latest 25 Reports (with no truncated titles as you find with the poorly designed Google archive). This is located near the very bottom of this page.

>>GOOGLE ARCHIVE you will find this, with Reports shown by week not very far below.

>>I'M NEW AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WANT TO GO: Welcome to the Real Zone. Simply browse the page and see for yourself what is here. You will not be disappointed.

>>OR YOU CAN DO A CUSTOM GOOGLE SEARCH OF THE 13 BOOKS AND COUNTING CONTAINED ON THIS SITE>>>>>

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TWO WAYS TO LOOK AT HOW LONG QUEST FOR THE RING HAS BEEN KEEPING IT REAL

The above shows you in two different ways the exact amount of time since The Quest for the Ring began to completely explain how the Quest is won, while having as much fun as possible at the expense of basketball pretenders and player haters. The first panel shows how long it has been in each of seven units. The second panel shows how long it has been in the more usual "remainder" way.

QUEST FOR THE RING SOMETIMES GOES INTO HIATUS
Regardless of any temporary unavoidable absences, the Quest is in this project to explain in detail for the very long term--indefinitely, for many, many, many years ahead. At this writing we have the equivalent of 15 basketball books under our belt and we plan on doing dozens more. Count on us being right where basketball is at, which is here, actually.

Blog Archive


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QUEST IS FREE BUT ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME CAN GET YOU MORE OF IT

Although there is a guaranteed minimum rate of Report production regardless of traffic, it is in your power to help increase the number of and frequency of Quest Reports. All Quest sites are developed and produced according to both superseding criteria and site traffic. Like all sites started in recent years, Quest receives very little help from Google and other search engines. The search engines mostly serve to keep the older, popular sites popular; they preserve the same old, same old status quo.

The amount of reporting and the frequency of Quest Reports could easily be double what it is were site traffic higher. If Quest obtained the traffic we know it deserves, than production would go from the equivalent of roughly three books about basketball a year to at least five and to as many as six books a year!

WE NEED A GRAND TOTAL OF ABOUT 3 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME
Please take three or four minutes every now and then to recommend Quest and post links to Quest on your favorite sports and other sites. In other words, wherever possible use us to back up what you are posting and writing. The resulting automatic increase of traffic will in turn increase the resources that go in to producing Quest home page Reports. After helping us, feel free to e-mail how you helped and we will throw some Internet love back to your Internet hangout. The email address is thequestforthering1. This is a gmail address, so you use @gmail.com after that address.

QUEST FOR THE RING USER GUIDE

QUEST FOR THE RING USER GUIDE: YOU CAN QUICKLY LOCATE AND GET THE SITE INFORMATION YOU NEED OR WANT RIGHT HERE

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WORD IS BOND

WELCOME TO THE QUEST--THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT HERE

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING, ALSO KNOWN AS THE REAL ZONE
This is one of the most serious basketball sites on the internet, focusing on how and why playoff games and NBA Championships are won. We also love to take comedy and music breaks, but not every day.

WELCOME TO THE QUEST FOR THE RING. YOU HAVE LEFT THE HYPE ZONE AND HAVE ARRIVED IN THE REAL ZONE. Please check any rose colored glasses at the door. The Hype Zone is where you can find out about the personalities and the styles and how popular they are and what they are up to lately. The Real Zone is where we DO NOT think personalities and styles and how popular or unpopular they are things to waste time on just for ratings or traffic.

Instead of hype, here we post as much truth about how NBA playoff games and Championships are won as we can 365 days a year and at at any hour of the day or night. Please have a productive visit, and a nice trip back to the Hype Zone when your visit is over.


A SMALL SAMPLE OF CURRENT AND SOON TO COME QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and Why the 2010 Los Angeles Lakers, the 2010 Cleveland Cavaliers, and the 2010 Boston Celtics Win or Lose in the 2010 Playoffs
--The right "amount of" LeBron James
--How players we know deserve to win a first or second Ring can get one, highly talented players such as Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, Rajon Rondo, and Dwyane Wade.
--How and why the Denver Nuggets Franchise has repeatedly fooled the public, and possibly themselves for that matter. (No, we still have not completely finished with the Nuggets, thanks to how successful they were in 2008-09, albeit there was no chance of a Championship; Continuing, much done already)
--How and why much of what you may think you know about Allen Iverson is dead wrong (Continuing, much done already)
--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins

A SMALL SAMPLE OF ALREADY COMPLETED QUEST FOR THE RING REAL ZONE TOPICS
--How and why Carmelo Anthony has been downsized due to a quest for "well-roundedness," and why this is really bad
--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
--How and why George Karl is doing more harm than good with respect to J.R. Smith
--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
--How and why George Karl and the Nuggets can not win in the playoffs (2007, 2008) or a West final (2009). If Quest commits a foul, we own up to it, as we do right here: we thought the Nuggets could not win in the playoffs in 2009. They did win 10 games before being eliminated by the Lakers in the West final, so in response we corrected our evaluation of what you can do with the Nuggets' unique 2009 approach to basketball without, however, going overboard.
--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
--How and why playmaking is so important, probably more than you think, and how you manage playmakers correctly.
--How and why you have probably been fooled regarding the Nuggets' 2008 off-season and their 2008-09 defense

UNIQUE SITE DESIGN
The Quest is organized in a completely different way from what you are used to on the internet. We have combined the best features of the blog and the conventional web site formats, the latter being the norm for large organizations. However, since we do not like the idea of using flash to "wow" visitors, we do not use flash except within video and other discrete components. So we are state of the art in terms of expanding the power of visitors to get exactly what they want very quickly, but we do not have the latest flash gadgetry just to "keep up with the Joneses". More broadly, you will find that Quest for the Ring never seeks to keep up with the Joneses, simply because the Joneses never had the nerve and the intelligence to do what we do.

2009: A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION COMES TO QUEST
Just before the 2009-10 season tipped, the very large number of features and links to important resources were strategically reorganized and placed within an easy to use and clearly labelled section system. So ended the era of the rapidly developed, sprawling and slightly disorganized Quest, and so began the era of the big but under careful control and extremely well organized and professional Quest for the Ring.

The Quest Home Page consists of numerous types of content, organized carefully into the new sections as of November 2009. Features can be any educational and / or entertaining thing you can think of, including everything from music players to videos to photos to breaking NBA news readers to top teams performance breakdown pages.

Quest for the Ring has a world class link system for those who know what they are looking for and wish to find and engage the appropriate link, But the Quest visitor does not HAVE to hunt for links to have an intelligent and entertaining experience. The Quest home page is big enough and chock loaded enough that link hunting is not absolutely necessary the way it normally is at many other basketball sites.

THERE MUST BE TEN WAYS TO READ REPORTS [PAUL SIMON LOL]
There are close to ten ways to find out about, select, and read Quest Reports! The standard, traditional blog presentation is available as one of the many ways to choose, access, and read reports. On the Home Page, only one report loads in the traditional format in order to keep this page as quick loading as possible.
See the "Total Freedom of Navigation" section for complete details about how to find, choose, and read reports.

One key place to find Older Reports is on sequentially numbered url's thequestforthering2.blogspot.com, thequestforthering3.blogspot.com, and so forth.

THE QUEST USER GUIDE VERSUS an about page
Other sites most often have undeveloped and limited in scope "about pages" which is usually all they have for what we call a "User Guide". Our User Guide material is a vast improvement, quantitatively and qualitatively, over a mere "about page" While many other sites don't help their visitors to make the best use of the content, we do. Also, the User Guide is chock loaded with invitations to visitors to participate in all kinds of ways, including for example advertising for free, link exchange, and getting a team site supported by Quest.

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MOST RECENT LEAGUE WIDE REAL PLAYER RATINGS

Note: This is generally a once a year, end of season Report. For many teams and players, more recent ratings are often available.

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few hightlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

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