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Tuesday, September 14, 2010

In the NBA a Catch is a Catch and a Score is a Score, but the NFL has Different Ideas

On Sunday, September 12 I innocently tuned in to watch a season opening pro football game between two of the NFL’s oldest teams: the Chicago Bears and the Detroit Lions. I was mugged by the asinine NFL rulebook and I'm ticked.

Neither the Bears nor the Lions are supposed to be very good this year. The Bears have poor coaching and a quarterback who is not quite ready for prime time. The Lions I do believe have been the worst team in pro football over at least the last ten years. While the Lions are supposed to be improved this year, especially on defense, the hole the Lions franchise is climbing out of is so deep that, basically, no one thinks the Lions can make the playoffs this year.

So in short this was a meaningless game. I was watching just to chill out and to see if I could get more interested in pro football this year than last year when I was mostly uninterested. But while trying to get interested I ran into the following fiasco.

A pro football player catches a pass in the end zone for a touchdown. But there is some incredibly dumb ass rule that results in the referees declaring that the catch was not really a catch! And they do this with a straight face; they don’t burst out laughing while announcing the catch was not a catch as I would. What’s especially funny (or pathetic) too is how awkward the discussion was among the announcers regarding the catch (or non-catch) as they tried to defend the indefensible: as they tried to defend the catch being declared to be not a catch. Check it out and see how Detroit Lions Wide Receiver Calvin Johnson was robbed of a catch which at the same time cost the Detroit Lions the win:


EARTH TO NFL: HE CAUGHT THE BALL FOR A TOUCHDOWN YOU DUMB ALIENS, OVER So as if they don’t already have enough problems with 50% unemployment and all the fires and so forth, Detroit was robbed on opening day of the 2010 NFL season. And I was robbed of a stress free football watching experience. When you think about it, the unbelievably bad NFL rule that cost the Detroit Lions a win on opening day 2010 is based on the same mistake we like to remind basketball coaches and managers not to make all the time. The rule brings the style of the player into the question of whether it was a catch or not. If the player uses the wrong style his catch is no longer a catch even if it was a touchdown catch and the bad call costs his team the game.

JUST LIKE THE NFL, YOU WILL BE A LOSER IF YOU GET HUNG UP WITH STYLES OR PERSONALITIES IN BASKETBALL

Because the problem is so prevalent and serious and because we are probably the only basketball site that has proven beyond a doubt that if you think that player styles and personalities are important you will never win a Championship, we are always reminding coaches, managers and owners to not get hung up on those personalities and playing styles. Coaches and managers who make decisions based on those aspects of players are shooting themselves in the foot with respect to the Quest for the Ring. Professional sports are supposed to be a “style-free zone” and mostly a “personality-free zone.” Styles and personalities don’t matter where it counts on the scoreboard.

Players whose styles and personalities are so bad that their sports performance is too low to be pros are weeded out long before they get to be on a pro team. So if you are a manager or a coach of a pro team and you are all hung up about styles or personalities you are wasting most and probably all of your time. If you are a coach, once you have what you think is a bad style or a bad personality on your team, the only correct thing for you to do in the season at hand is to mostly and preferably completely ignore what you think is the bad style or the bad personality.

Go to the managers and ask them to get rid of that player at the earliest opportunity if you feel strongly about it, but in the here and now don't deprive your team of that player's skills and abilities just because you don't like his style or personality. Sure, fans might find a particular players’ style or personality to be lousy, but who cares when there is a Championship to be won. Championship teams deploy every player they have according to each players’ skills, abilities, and work product while mainly ignoring each players’ style and personality.

Of course, if the owner and/or the managers of a team have decided that they are just out to impress the fans and fill the seats even at the cost of wins, then they will want to get all hung up on personalities and styles. If that is your objective, best of luck to you and sorry we won’t be seeing much of your star personalities and great styles in the playoffs (because you are not going to be going very far in the playoffs assuming you make them at all).

Meanwhile, what are the Lakers thinking about this subject? They are thinking that they will take Ron Artest and his rotten to the core personality all the way to the NBA finals precisely because they don’t care that he has a rotten personality. (But for the record, not only do they not care, but they also don’t know exactly how rotten Artest’s personality is. And nor do they care that they don't know exactly how rotten his personality is, laugh out loud.)

ANOTHER REALLY REALLY BIG PROBLEM WITH FOOTBALL BESIDES THAT A CATCH IS SOMETIMES NOT A CATCH (AS IF THAT’S NOT BAD ENOUGH)

I mostly ignored the 2009-10 pro football season. Why? Because the previous years’ Super Bowl was a travesty. In Super Bowl 43 the Arizona Cardinals led by quarterback Kurt Warner and Wide Receiver Larry Fitzgerald outplayed the Pittsburgh Steelers but lost the game as the Steelers scrambled down the field in the closing minutes for a come from behind win. The Cardinals, however, beat the Steelers in the great majority of the statistical categories.

While in basketball the team that played better in a game (as shown by performance measures or in other words statistics) wins about 99% or more of the time, in football the team that played better in a game wins much less often than that. In other words the wrong team often wins in football. As a very rough estimate, I’d say the wrong team wins about 20% of all football games. In these games the losing team actually outplayed the winning team. This is virtually unheard of in basketball. In basketball whichever team plays better wins the game almost all of the time.

There are at least three reasons why football games are often not won by the better team: (1) Compared with basketball, the number of scores in football is very small. This alone increases the odds that the wrong team (the worse team) will win the game. (2) Sometimes a team will have a lot of instances where they just barely miss a first down. A yard here and there and a team has to settle for one, two, three, maybe even four field goals which might have been touch downs had that extra inch or yard or two been gained. (3) The mother of all reasons why football games are often won by the wrong team is turnovers.

Its really not turnovers per se but turnovers resulting in massive field position gifts that are the problem. Turnovers are always very damaging. But when a team fumbles or throws an interception near its own goal, the other team is given a tremendous freebie in the form of extremely good field position. The team that makes an interception or recovers a fumble and then sets up inside the 20 yard line of its opponent (inside the “red zone”) now has a far easier task than usual. They have already got a field goal in the bag and getting a touchdown is far easier than it usually is. In other words, the team that fumbled or threw an interception has paid a massively huge penalty for that one mistake (assuming the team that intercepted or recovered the fumble scores and keeping in mind that the number of scores is small in football games.)

BASKETBALL IS BETTER
In basketball, turnovers sometimes result in automatic fast break scores. But many turnovers result in nothing more than the other team getting the ball with no unusual advantage at all. And turnovers that result in fast break scores are less damaging than turnovers in football are because there are far more scores in basketball than in football and one score is not all that much to worry about.

We have our problems in basketball but they are nothing compared with those of football. In basketball if the ball goes in the hoop it is a score regardless of the style that was used to get it in there and regardless of the personality of the player who scored the ball. The referees never huddle up after a basketball score and then announce that the score was not a score because the player did not have an acceptable style as he made the score.

In the NBA I’ll wager that the refs will never take away a score and announce any of the following:

--“There was a little too much pump faking for our tastes”.

--"There was one too many jab steps, only two are allowed; Shame on you, Carmelo Anthony”.

--"The power forward got the assist which is not allowed with two minutes left in either half."

--“The player didn’t jump quite high enough so under the rules he was not allowed to hit a midrange jumper.”

--“The teardrop looked too much like a smile drop”

--“The ball spun around three times and only two revolutions are allowed while the ball is in the air.”

--“The player was smiling during the dunk, which is not allowed”

--“The player gave me a dirty look while coming down the floor and I’ll be damned if I’ll allow that without a penalty”.

--“Allen Iverson has already attempted too many shots in this game so he isn’t allowed to score anymore”.

Laugh out loud.

CHANGE YOUR DAMN CATCH RULE, NFL

Since where there is smoke there usually is fire the NFL rulebook probably needs some serious work. I would be surprised if there are no other asinine rules in the NFL rulebook other than the “what is a catch rule”. At the very least the NFL has to make all catches in the end zone touchdowns regardless of the particular style the player uses after he catches the ball. The NFL is apparently worried that fans will find this and other asinine rules in their rulebook, because they are trying to keep it secret from the general public. They have only a “digest” of the rules on their web site and not the full rule book.

Basketball is not perfect, but compared to American football, basketball is the perfect game. The NBA is mostly fair and just while the NFL is often unfair and unjust. Basketball referees never make announcements about scores that are not scores due to some dumb ass rule. Get your act together, NFL, and stop spoiling my attempts to enjoy your game. Now that the NFL has been revealed as having an asinine (and secret) rulebook former football fans are welcome to crossover from the dark side and join me and other basketball fanatics here in the light.

LIONS WIDE OUT CALVIN JOHNSON SHARES A LAUGH ABOUT THE CATCH RULE WITH THE NFL COMMISSIONER

Friday, September 3, 2010

Real Player Ratings for NBA Players Team by Team, Final 2009-10 Ratings

Whoops, missed a dunk. This important Report should have been posted on about July 10. These are the final 2009-10 Real Player Ratings (RPR) by team. Back in July this was mistakenly skipped. Only the overall League-Wide RPRs were shown where the players are ranked without regard to team. True, the RPRs were already shown by team individually (which must be why my brain forgot to post this). The problem is, the individual team postings have a lot more in them than just the RPRs by team. Between that and all the extra clicking and loading it would take, it would be a pain in the neck to compare teams' RPRs using those individual team postings compared with doing so using one Report. The bottom line is that this is one of the most important posts of the year and is certainly far better a little late than never. [Your Editor who missed a dunk due to being up all night trying to get George Karl fired]

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS BY TEAM
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON


POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect Player for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man, can possibly start 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Generally should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Should not start except in an emergency 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here

ATLANTA HAWKS
Josh Smith SF 1.033
Al Horford C 0.970
Joe Johnson SG 0.883
Mike Bibby PG 0.803
Jamal Crawford SG 0.721
Marvin Williams PF 0.716
Jeff Teague PG 0.544
Zaza Pachulia C 0.538
Maurice Evans SF 0.462
Joe Smith PF 0.453

BOSTON CELTICS
Rajon Rondo PG 1.084
Kevin Garnett PF 1.033
Paul Pierce SF 0.836
Kendrick Perkins C 0.807
Ray Allen SG 0.770
Rasheed Wallace PF 0.757
Shelden Williams PF 0.748
Nate Robinson PG 0.668
Tony Allen SG 0.663
Michael Finley SF 0.585
Marquis Daniels SG 0.543
Glen Davis PF 0.508
Brian Scalabrine C 0.329

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Gerald Wallace SF 0.918
Tyrus Thomas PF 0.870
Raymond Felton PG 0.857
Nazr Mohammed C 0.818
Stephen Jackson SF 0.754
Boris Diaw PF 0.746
D.J. Augustin PG 0.712
Tyson Chandler C 0.709
Stephen Graham SF 0.702
Ronald Murray SG 0.671
Gerald Henderson SG 0.664
Theo Ratliff C 0.650
Derrick Brown SF 0.575

CHICAGO BULLS
Joakim Noah C 0.955
Tyrus Thomas PF 0.904
Derrick Rose PG 0.903
Luol Deng SF 0.817
John Salmons SF 0.776
Taj Gibson PF 0.741
Brad Miller C 0.720
Kirk Hinrich PG 0.689
Jannero Pargo PG 0.577
Hakim Warrick PF 0.514
Ronald Murray SG 0.504
James Johnson PF 0.487

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
LeBron James SF 1.382
Anderson Varejao C 0.933
Delonte West SG 0.856
Shaquille O'Neal C 0.842
Mo Williams PG 0.835
Antawn Jamison PF 0.819
Zydrunas Ilgauskas C 0.758
Jamario Moon SF 0.754
Daniel Gibson PG 0.660
J.J. Hickson PF 0.599
Anthony Parker SG 0.596
Jawad Williams SF 0.369

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Jason Kidd PG 1.092
Dirk Nowitzki PF 1.034
Brendan Haywood C 0.929
Erick Dampier C 0.826
Jason Terry SG 0.791
Shawn Marion SF 0.772
Caron Butler SF 0.715
Rodrigue Beaubois PG 0.707
Jose Juan Barea PG 0.694
Drew Gooden PF 0.674
Kris Humphries PF 0.642
Eduardo Najera PF 0.482
Josh Howard SF 0.460
Quinton Ross SF 0.406

DENVER NUGGETS
Chauncey Billups PG 0.883
Carmelo Anthony SF 0.874
Nene Hilario C 0.852
Chris Andersen PF 0.849
Ty Lawson PG 0.768
J.R. Smith SG 0.738
Kenyon Martin PF 0.709
Anthony Carter PG 0.686
Johan Petro C 0.635
Arron Afflalo SG 0.573
Joey Graham SF 0.473
Malik Allen PF 0.282

DETROIT PISTONS
Ben Wallace C 0.877
Rodney Stuckey PG 0.749
Tayshaun Prince SF 0.724
Jonas Jerebko SF 0.610
Richard Hamilton SG 0.592
Charlie Villanueva PF 0.582
Will Bynum PG 0.568
Jason Maxiell PF 0.532
Austin Daye SF 0.507
Ben Gordon SG 0.491
Chucky Atkins PG 0.477
Kwame Brown C 0.452
Chris Wilcox C 0.417
DaJuan Summers SF 0.266

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Andris Biedrins C 0.825
Anthony Randolph PF 0.820
Stephen Curry PG 0.803
Ronny Turiaf C 0.774
C.J. Watson PG 0.746
Monta Ellis PG 0.711
Anthony Tolliver PF 0.709
Stephen Jackson SF 0.704
Corey Maggette SF 0.699
Reggie Williams SF 0.673
Anthony Morrow SG 0.661
Devean George SG 0.592
Chris Hunter PF 0.576
Mikki Moore C 0.561
Vladimir Radmanovic SF 0.494

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Kyle Lowry PG 0.835
Carl Landry PF 0.816
Luis Scola PF 0.816
Chuck Hayes PF 0.765
Aaron Brooks PG 0.747
Trevor Ariza SG 0.723
David Andersen C 0.715
Shane Battier SF 0.703
Jordan Hill PF 0.661
Chase Budinger SF 0.621
Kevin Martin SG 0.572
Jared Jeffries PF 0.462
Jermaine Taylor SG 0.428

INDIANA PACERS
Troy Murphy PF 0.934
Danny Granger SF 0.885
Roy Hibbert C 0.880
A.J. Price PG 0.868
Tyler Hansbrough PF 0.724
Earl Watson PG 0.701
T.J. Ford PG 0.700
Mike Dunleavy SF 0.686
Josh McRoberts PF 0.659
Luther Head PG 0.654
Brandon Rush SG 0.606
Dahntay Jones SG 0.542
Solomon Jones PF 0.493

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Marcus Camby C 1.071
Baron Davis PG 0.899
Craig Smith PF 0.865
Chris Kaman C 0.783
Sebastian Telfair PG 0.717
Drew Gooden PF 0.678
Steve Blake PG 0.677
Travis Outlaw SF 0.668
Eric Gordon SG 0.550
Al Thornton SF 0.547
DeAndre Jordan C 0.512
Rasual Butler SG 0.509
Ricky Davis SF 0.437
Mardy Collins PG 0.436
Steve Novak SF 0.345

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Pau Gasol PF 1.065
Kobe Bryant SG 1.005
Lamar Odom PF 0.982
Andrew Bynum C 0.936
Ron Artest SF 0.752
D.J. Mbenga C 0.725
Jordan Farmar PG 0.689
Shannon Brown PG 0.687
Derek Fisher PG 0.578
Sasha Vujacic SG 0.554
Josh Powell PF 0.386

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Zach Randolph PF 0.885
Marc Gasol C 0.885
Mike Conley PG 0.702
Rudy Gay SF 0.675
O.J. Mayo SG 0.622
Jamaal Tinsley PG 0.613
Hasheem Thabeet C 0.605
Marcus Williams PG 0.583
Sam Young SF 0.508
Darrell Arthur PF 0.443
DeMarre Carroll SF 0.357

MIAMI HEAT
Dwyane Wade SG 1.075
Carlos Arroyo PG 0.819
Dorell Wright SG 0.817
Jermaine O'Neal C 0.805
Udonis Haslem PF 0.774
Michael Beasley PF 0.714
Daequan Cook SG 0.691
Quentin Richardson SG 0.675
Mario Chalmers PG 0.648
Joel Anthony C 0.624
Jamaal Magloire C 0.594
James Jones SF 0.525
Rafer Alston PG 0.482

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Andrew Bogut C 1.112
John Salmons SF 0.937
Brandon Jennings PG 0.870
Ersan Ilyasova SF 0.828
Luke Ridnour PG 0.827
Carlos Delfino SG 0.809
Dan Gadzuric C 0.754
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute SF 0.721
Jerry Stackhouse SF 0.675
Kurt Thomas PF 0.608
Hakim Warrick PF 0.571
Michael Redd SG 0.551
Charlie Bell SG 0.518
Jodie Meeks SG 0.413

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Kevin Love PF 0.934
Al Jefferson C 0.856
Oleksiy Pecherov C 0.748
Ramon Sessions PG 0.699
Darko Milicic C 0.674
Damien Wilkins SG 0.601
Ryan Gomes SF 0.589
Nathan Jawai PF 0.575
Jonny Flynn PG 0.568
Wayne Ellington SG 0.521
Corey Brewer SF 0.518
Ryan Hollins C 0.351
Sasha Pavlovic SG 0.314

NEW JERSEY NETS
Keyon Dooling PG 0.771
Brook Lopez C 0.770
Josh Boone C 0.718
Terrence Williams SG 0.698
Bobby Simmons SF 0.676
Devin Harris PG 0.665
Kris Humphries PF 0.646
Rafer Alston PG 0.589
Yi Jianlian PF 0.575
Chris Douglas-Roberts SG 0.541
Courtney Lee SG 0.528
Jarvis Hayes SF 0.438
Trenton Hassell SF 0.342

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Chris Paul PG 1.202
David West PF 0.781
Darren Collison PG 0.775
Emeka Okafor C 0.742
Marcus Thornton SG 0.693
Peja Stojakovic SF 0.615
Bobby Brown PG 0.611
James Posey SF 0.564
Darius Songaila PF 0.561
Julian Wright SF 0.545
Devin Brown SG 0.533
Morris Peterson SG 0.394

NEW YORK KNICKS
David Lee C 0.971
Nate Robinson PG 0.804
Larry Hughes SG 0.675
Danilo Gallinari SF 0.664
Wilson Chandler SF 0.664
Al Harrington PF 0.655
Chris Duhon PG 0.643
Jared Jeffries PF 0.627
Tracy McGrady SG 0.588
Toney Douglas PG 0.577
Sergio Rodriguez PG 0.574
Bill Walker SG 0.532
Eddie House SG 0.454

OKLAHOMA THUNDER
Kevin Durant SF 1.051
Russell Westbrook PG 0.897
Eric Maynor PG 0.856
Serge Ibaka PF 0.855
Nick Collison PF 0.812
James Harden SG 0.770
Jeff Green PF 0.659
Nenad Krstic C 0.642
Thabo Sefolosha SF 0.589
Etan Thomas C 0.538

ORLANDO MAGIC
Dwight Howard C 1.121
Jameer Nelson PG 0.959
Vince Carter SG 0.928
Ryan Anderson PF 0.840
Matt Barnes SF 0.775
Jason Williams PG 0.771
Rashard Lewis PF 0.721
Marcin Gortat PF 0.698
Anthony Johnson PG 0.658
J.J. Redick SG 0.658
Brandon Bass PF 0.648
Mickael Pietrus SG 0.631

PHILADELPHIA 76'ERS
Samuel Dalembert C 0.864
Andre Iguodala SG 0.858
Lou Williams SG 0.756
Elton Brand PF 0.726
Allen Iverson SG 0.722
Jrue Holiday PG 0.633
Marreese Speights PF 0.613
Thaddeus Young SF 0.607
Rodney Carney SF 0.601
Willie Green SG 0.598
Jason Smith PF 0.466
Jason Kapono SG 0.383

PHOENIX SUNS
Steve Nash PG 1.095
Amare Stoudemire PF 0.828
Goran Dragic PG 0.803
Channing Frye C 0.731
Louis Amundson PF 0.731
Jason Richardson SG 0.718
Robin Lopez C 0.684
Grant Hill SF 0.669
Jared Dudley SF 0.660
Leandro Barbosa SG 0.626
Earl Clark SF 0.474

PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
Greg Oden C 1.060
Marcus Camby C 0.967
Andre Miller PG 0.874
Brandon Roy SG 0.842
LaMarcus Aldridge PF 0.817
Joel Przybilla C 0.782
Rudy Fernandez SG 0.678
Steve Blake PG 0.667
Nicolas Batum SF 0.653
Martell Webster SG 0.583
Jerryd Bayless PG 0.556
Dante Cunningham SF 0.551
Juwan Howard PF 0.520
Jeff Pendergraph PF 0.432

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Sergio Rodriguez PG 0.908
Tyreke Evans PG 0.825
Beno Udrih PG 0.768
Francisco Garcia SG 0.724
Sean May PF 0.710
Carl Landry PF 0.689
Jason Thompson PF 0.686
Spencer Hawes C 0.680
Omri Casspi SF 0.609
Kevin Martin SG 0.591
Ime Udoka SG 0.574
Jon Brockman PF 0.554
Donte Greene SF 0.524
Kenny Thomas PF 0.523
Andres Nocioni SF 0.464

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Tim Duncan PF 1.254
Manu Ginobili SG 1.023
Antonio McDyess PF 0.839
Tony Parker PG 0.837
DeJuan Blair PF 0.784
Matt Bonner PF 0.763
Richard Jefferson SF 0.721
George Hill PG 0.713
Roger Mason SG 0.619
Keith Bogans SG 0.462
Malik Hairston SG 0.433
Michael Finley SF 0.321

TORONTO RAPTORS
Chris Bosh PF 0.972
Jose Calderon PG 0.797
Amir Johnson SF 0.769
Reggie Evans PF 0.763
Jarrett Jack PG 0.698
Rasho Nesterovic C 0.637
Hedo Turkoglu SF 0.635
Andrea Bargnani C 0.591
Marco Belinelli SG 0.587
Sonny Weems SG 0.537
Antoine Wright SF 0.451
DeMar DeRozan SG 0.414

UTAH JAZZ
Deron Williams PG 1.076
Carlos Boozer PF 0.994
Andrei Kirilenko SF 0.976
Paul Millsap PF 0.866
Kyle Korver SG 0.824
Eric Maynor PG 0.819
Mehmet Okur C 0.800
Ronnie Price PG 0.784
Ronnie Brewer SG 0.712
Kyrylo Fesenko C 0.662
Wesley Matthews SG 0.592
C.J. Miles SF 0.549

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Shaun Livingston PG 0.783
Andray Blatche C 0.770
Gilbert Arenas PG 0.760
Brendan Haywood C 0.744
Mike Miller SF 0.732
James Singleton SF 0.696
JaVale McGee C 0.694
Antawn Jamison PF 0.665
Randy Foye PG 0.634
Caron Butler SF 0.617
Earl Boykins PG 0.599
Al Thornton SF 0.569
Fabricio Oberto C 0.468
Nick Young SG 0.462
DeShawn Stevenson SG 0.287

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a position with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

THE ALL IMPORTANT, AWARD WINNING REAL PLAYER RATINGS USER GUIDE
The above are a few highlights from the User Guide for Real Player Ratings. For complete details regarding how the Real Player Ratings are designed, how and why they work, and how exactly you can use them, see the User Guide. The User Guide for Real Player Ratings is a necessary reference for anyone who wants to truly understand the value of, the validity of, and the ways you can use the Real Player Rating performance measures.

Also, you should become a regular visitor to Quest for the Ring if you want to get the full advantage of reading and using Real Player Ratings Series performance measures. The more you visit and check out ratings, the more quickly and easily you will be able to evaluate what you are seeing.

Saturday, August 28, 2010

All About the Basketball Hall of Fame and Why Allen Iverson Must Stay out of the Hood and Out of Trouble

We cap off “History Week” at Quest for the Ring (QFTR) with a Report on the Basketball Hall of Fame and just how difficult it is to get that ultimate recognition. Plus this one will remind readers that QFTR is obsessed with how many times that Allen Iverson has ended up with the short end of the stick in the media and also on the court despite the fact that he made many millions of dollars for many people as an historic, superstar guard and as a cultural icon. Specifically, QFTR is obsessed with whether and when Iverson will be admitted into the Hall of Fame.

QFTR is normally not all that interested in the Basketball Hall of Fame itself. For one thing, it is just one award of many that superstar and star basketball players can win. MVP is considered to be an equal award. QFTR is most interested, of course, in who wins Rings and why and who does not and why.

But there is one player who just retired who, if he were never admitted, would create a big problem, It would be fairly shocking and would in fact be a major scandal. Of course we are talking about Allen Iverson. There is a slight chance that Iverson will in fact be snubbed (never admitted). If so, it would not only be a scandal but it would prove that the committees that determine who is admitted are more focused on styles, personalities, and possibly even politics and less focused on basketball itself than we thought.

Due to this Iverson Hall of Fame question, which will be hanging out there uncertainly for a decade and probably more, we thought we would scope out the “Hall of Fame thing” carefully and in some detail with the assistance of the new Recognition Scores Report.

The new Recognition Scores just published two days ago here at QFTR can be used to some extent to correctly predict who will eventually be admitted into the Basketball Hall of Fame. As a very rough rule of thumb, players whose Recognition Scores are ten or more are extremely likely to eventually be admitted to the Hall of Fame. The odds for them approach 100%.

There has never been a player with a Score of ten or more who has not and clearly will never be admitted. If Iverson were not admitted, he would most likely be the first player ever with a very high Recognition Score who is not admitted.

I think the window in effect right now during which retired superstar players can be admitted runs from roughly five years after retirement to roughly 25 years after retirement, a 20 year period. If a former superstar becomes a manager or especially if he becomes a coach after he retires as a player, the 20 year clock may stop running, especially if the former player involved is not considered to be one who will inevitably be admitted sooner or later. In other words, it is possible that a superstar who would have been admitted had he never become a coach (had he immediately retired from basketball completely) is never admitted if for example he becomes an obscure coach and/or a coach who doesn’t do very well at coaching.

That means no coaching for you, Allen Iverson. But we didn’t have to worry about that, did we, given your views on practice, laugh out loud.

Personalities and styles are factors in how long it takes former superstar players to be admitted to the Hall of Fame and possibly, in certain cases, whether certain superstar players are ever admitted. This is so despite the fact that personalities and styles have little to do with what players did on the court.

The less smooth a superstar player's personality is, the longer that player has to wait to be admitted. The more a player is regarded as a “good citizen,” with a good personality, the less the former superstar player has to wait to be admitted.

Similarly, the more a player’s style “rubs many people the wrong way,” the longer the wait will be, and the greater the chance the former superstar player is snubbed by the Hall of Fame committees. The more a former superstar’s player’s style was a “crowd pleaser,” the quicker he will be admitted.

RETIRED SUPERSTARS IN THE LONG WAIT FOR THE HALL OF FAME TO LET THEM IN
Here is a list of retired players with Recognition scores greater than eight who have not yet been admitted to the Hall of Fame.

Gary Payton 17.35
Dennis Rodman 17.00
Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
Michael Cooper 13.20
Sidney Moncrief 11.85
Allen Iverson 10.90
Alonzo Mourning 9.55
Bruce Bowen 8.80
Mark Eaton 8.40

What about the long term prospects of these nine former players? Let’s start with the obvious: there is a 100% chance that Mutombo will be admitted.

Mutombo, Iverson, and Bowen are apparently newly retired as of the end of the 2009-10 season. It is far, far too early to be thinking about them soon going into the Hall of Fame. Since the committees that accept players into the Hall of Fame take their sweet time measured in years, newly retired players have to wait roughly five years at the very least before they are admitted even if it is inevitable that they will eventually be admitted. Michael Jordan, most likely the best basketball player of the modern era, was admitted just about as quickly as possible yet he was not admitted until six years after he retired as a NBA player.

I think there is roughly an 85% chance that Iverson will eventually be admitted. I used to think there was about a 95% chance that Iverson will be admitted, but that was before I found out very recently that it is even a little harder than I thought to get into the Hall of Fame. I still think that Iverson will eventually be admitted but it is most likely going to be many years before he is (ten, twenty, even thirty years). In the past even more so than today there were many players not admitted until they were in their 50’s or 60's or even older than that.

Gary Payton just retired about three years ago so it is still way too early for him to be admitted. Dennis Rodman retired about ten years ago so it is still early in the 5-25 years after retirement window for him to be admitted. Based on their extremely high recognition scores, you would have to say that both of these extremely recognized players are going to be admitted when the committees are good and ready to let them in.

Gary Payton is definitely eventually going to be admitted; although his personality and style are not the smoothest and most crowd pleasing ones ever, his sky high recognition score trumps that and ensures his admission.

But Dennis Rodmans' personality and style are roughly as "controversial" as Iversons' among the foolish people who think these things are important. Therefore we think that Rodman will have to wait an extra 5, 10 or even 20 years (on top of the standard 5 year wait) before he is admitted. Specifically, Rodman's window runs from roughly 2010 to 2025. Iversons' window runs 10 years later, from 2020 to 2035, mostly because he retired 10 years later.

But do we know absolutely for certain that Rodman will be admitted? No, we don't! If Rodman were snubbed, it would drastically increase the odds that Iverson would be snubbed by and never admitted to the Hall of Fame. In fact, if Rodman is never admitted, it will make it very likely that Iverson will never be admitted either. After all, Iverson's Recognition Score is substantially lower than Rodman's. Hopefully, it is going overboard to think that either Rodman or Iverson, because of their personalities and styles, will suffer anythink other than a long, long wait.

Michael Cooper and Sidney Moncrief are two players with Recognition Scores of 13.20 and 11.85 respectively but they have not yet been admitted even though it has been about twenty years since both of them played.

Michael Cooper retired 20 years ago as a NBA player but then he became a coach. For former superstars not considered to be automatic Hall of Famers, the window often (but not always) runs from when the superstar retires from basketball as a whole, so Cooper’s window has probably not even started yet. But incidentally, when someone retires from basketball entirely at an advanced age, the window is shorter and starts a year or two sooner than the usual five years after retirement. Because the committees want to get as many as possible into the Hall of Fame before they pass away rather than after. (At least there is one thing they speed things up for.) So Cooper can expect to be admitted between roughly three and twelve years after he completely retires from basketball.

Similarly, Sidney Moncrief retired as a NBA player almost twenty years ago but he is still working in basketball. In 2006, Moncrief returned to basketball as the head coach of the Fort Worth Flyers, a professional basketball team in the NBA D-League. He rejoined the NBA in October 2007 when he became the shooting coach for the Golden State Warriors. The odds are that when Moncrief completely retires from basketball, his window for being admitted to the Hall of Fame will start and that he will be admitted between about three and twelve years after that final retirement.

However, if either Cooper or Moncrief are never admitted, it would substantially increase the odds that Iverson will never be admitted, because they have similar Recognition Scores to Iverson (slightly higher, in fact). Therefore, Cooper and Moncrief have to be admitted for anyone worrying about Iverson to be able to have full confidence that Iverson will be admitted.

On the other hand, it is certainly possible that Iverson could be admitted even if one or both of Cooper and Moncrief are not admitted. After all, Cooper and Moncriefs' Recognition scores are only slightly higher than Iversons' and, also after all, the selection process is not entirely scientific or predictible.

Alonzo Mourning just retired two years ago so it is way too early for him to be admitted. I am thinking there is a 100% chance he will be admitted because his Recognition Score is just about 10 and I do believe his personality is considered a very good one by many people.

You know I cringe when I write that because personalities should not be significant factors but I know that they are factors, not only for the Hall of Fame but even for playing time on certain NBA teams. Yes, that would include you, Denver.

I think that defensive specialist Bruce Bowen is definitely going to be admitted. Such specialists appear to have a slightly easier time getting admitted to the Hall of Fame, which gets me just a little bit worried about Iverson again, because Iverson was definitely not a defensive specialist.

Finally, Mark Eaton retired about seventeen years ago and so it is starting to get to the later part of the window where he is most likely to be admitted. But there is still at least eight years left in Eaton’s window. In this case the committees are probably showing just how slow they can be in the case of a “less inevitable admission,” or in other words a more marginal admission.

JUST HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR IVERSON TO BE ADMITTED TO THE HALL OF FAME?
I am thinking the committees will string Iverson along not so much because he is not considered to be inevitable but rather because of the personality and also the style stuff. The fact that Iverson was moved to the wrong position (from point guard to shooting guard) which backfired and made a style issue worse rather than better, will probably cost Iverson another year or two or three of waiting on top of an already long wait due to his strong and colorful personality. My bottom line is that I think it will be ten to twenty years before Iverson is admitted to the Basketball Hall of Fame. He will very probably be admitted sometime between 2020 and 2030.

However, if Iverson unexpectedly gets into legal trouble again then all bets are off. He had better stay out the hood. Invite the hood homies out the suburbs, Allen!

(Given these gargantuan time lines I had at least five years to get this Report out but I decided to make my deadline by a record margin, laugh out loud.)

CURRENT PLAYERS EXTREMELY LIKELY TO EVENTUALLY BE IN THE HALL OF FAME
This would be current players who have Recognition Scores of ten or more:

Tim Duncan 33.30
Kobe Bryant 26.10
Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
Kevin Garnett 21.25
Ben Wallace 18.45
LeBron James 15.25
Jason Kidd 14.10
Steve Nash 11.50
Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
Dwight Howard 10.90

Iverson’s score is 10.90 for comparison.

In general the odds that a former superstar basketball player will get into the Hall of Fame are in the vicinity of 100% when his Recognition Score is ten or more. But again, those with controversial personalities and styles need higher scores to absolutely guarantee admission. An absolute guarantee for a superstar widely claimed to have a "bad personality" and/or a "bad style" would require a Recognition Score of fifteen or even twenty. Unfortunately (and to me this is a scandal) Iversons' score does not absolutely guarantee he will be admitted.

Moreover, if a former superstar were to commit a crime and/or be involved in a major media scandal after he retires and before he is admitted, it could conceivably ruin his chances regardless of Recognition Score.

Those with scores between eight and ten are not almost automatic but are very, very likely to eventually be Hall of Famers. Right now, all of the players in this range are retired and we just discussed them above.

As a rough approximation, if you multiply the Recognition score by ten, you have a rough approximation of the odds that the player will eventually be in the Hall of Fame. For example, if a player has a score of 5, the odds are roughly 50% that he will eventually be admitted into the Hall of Fame.

Out of the 39 former superstar NBA players in the Hall of Fame, sixteen have Recognition Scores between three and five. However, it will be more difficult to get into the Hall of Fame with a score in this range in the future because there are more available awards now than there were back in the 1980’s and 1970’s. Also, the Hall of Fame committees seem intent on arbitrarily limiting the number of players who can be admitted each year despite the fact that there are more NBA teams and more superstars now than there were back when they determined this arbitrary limit.

No player has ever reached the Hall of Fame with a Recognition Score less than three and almost certainly none ever will.

Now that you know exactly how to do it, see the Report “Most Recognized High Impact Pro Basketball Players 1980-2010” to find out the Hall of Fame chances for various NBA superstars.

SHAME ON THE AMATEUR PERSONALITY, CULTURE, AND STYLE JUDGES
To close this out let’s face the truth: having a strong personality, having strong beliefs, being a member of a racial minority, being a member of a cultural minority, having an unusual style that for one obscure reason or another fails to please the crowd, and things such as these, are often held against you (often secretly of course) in American society. Resulting damage to both society and those being discriminated against varies radically from one case to another.

Shame on everyone who discriminates based on personality, race, culture, style, things of this nature. One of the main reasons I do sports instead of politics or something like that is because all sports are supposed to be free of these kinds of discriminations. But sports including basketball are not completely free of these biases. Evaluate basketball players on basketball and leave all the other extraneous stuff out of it or shame on you.

Friday, August 27, 2010

Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

CITIES AND FRANCHISES THAT WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING 1950-2010
-By Year

Los Angeles, California 2010
Los Angeles, California 2009
Boston, Massachussetts 2008
San Antonio, Texas 2007
Miami, Florida 2006
San Antonio, Texas 2005
Detroit, Michigan 2004
San Antonio, Texas 2003
Los Angeles, California 2002
Los Angeles, California 2001
Los Angeles, California 2000
San Antonio, Texas 1999
Chicago, Illinois 1998
Chicago, Illinois 1997
Chicago, Illinois 1996
Houston, Texas 1995
Houston, Texas 1994
Chicago, Illinois 1993
Chicago, Illinois 1992
Chicago, Illinois 1991
Detroit, Michigan 1990
Detroit, Michigan 1989
Los Angeles, California 1988
Los Angeles, California 1987
Boston, Massachussetts 1986
Los Angeles, California 1985
Boston, Massachussetts 1984
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1983
Los Angeles, California 1982
Boston, Massachussetts 1981
Los Angeles, California 1980
Seattle, Washington 1979
Washington, D.C. 1978
Portland, Oregon 1977
Boston, Massachussetts 1976
Oakland-San Francisco, California 1975
Boston, Massachussetts 1974
New York, New York 1973
Los Angeles, California 1972
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1971
New York, New York 1970
Boston, Massachussetts 1969
Boston, Massachussetts 1968
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1967
Boston, Massachussetts 1966
Boston, Massachussetts 1965
Boston, Massachussetts 1964
Boston, Massachussetts 1963
Boston, Massachussetts 1962
Boston, Massachussetts 1961
Boston, Massachussetts 1960
Boston, Massachussetts 1959
St. Louis, Missouri 1958
Boston, Massachussetts 1957
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1956
Syracuse, New York 1955
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1954
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1953
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1952
Rochester, New York 1951
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1950

CITIES AND FRANCHISES THAT WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING 1950-2010
-By city alphabetically

Boston, Massachusetts 2008
Boston, Massachusetts 1986
Boston, Massachussetts 1984
Boston, Massachussetts 1981
Boston, Massachussetts 1976
Boston, Massachussetts 1974
Boston, Massachussetts 1969
Boston, Massachussetts 1968
Boston, Massachussetts 1966
Boston, Massachussetts 1965
Boston, Massachussetts 1964
Boston, Massachussetts 1963
Boston, Massachussetts 1962
Boston, Massachussetts 1961
Boston, Massachussetts 1960
Boston, Massachussetts 1959
Boston, Massachussetts 1957
Chicago, Illinois 1998
Chicago, Illinois 1997
Chicago, Illinois 1996
Chicago, Illinois 1993
Chicago, Illinois 1992
Chicago, Illinois 1991
Detroit, Michigan 2004
Detroit, Michigan 1990
Detroit, Michigan 1989
Houston, Texas 1995
Houston, Texas 1994
Los Angeles, California 2010
Los Angeles, California 2009
Los Angeles, California 2002
Los Angeles, California 2001
Los Angeles, California 2000
Los Angeles, California 1988
Los Angeles, California 1987
Los Angeles, California 1985
Los Angeles, California 1982
Los Angeles, California 1980
Los Angeles, California 1972
Miami, Florida 2006
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1971
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1954
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1953
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1952
Minneapolis, Minnesota 1950
New York, New York 1973
New York, New York 1970
Oakland-San Francisco, California 1975
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1983
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1967
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 1956
Portland, Oregon 1977
Rochester, New York 1951
San Antonio, Texas 2007
San Antonio, Texas 2005
San Antonio, Texas 2003
San Antonio, Texas 1999
Seattle, Washington 1979
St. Louis, Missouri 1958
Syracuse, New York 1955
Washington, D.C. 1978

CITIES AND FRANCHISES THAT WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING 1950-2010
-Cities ranked by number of Rings won

Boston, Massachusetts 17
Los Angeles, California 11
Chicago, Illinois 6
Minneapolis, Minnesota 4
San Antonio, Texas 4
Detroit, Michigan 3
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 3
Houston, Texas 2
New York, New York 2
Miami, Florida 1
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 1
Oakland-San Francisco, California 1
Portland, Oregon 1
Rochester, New York 1
Seattle, Washington 1
St. Louis, Missouri 1
Syracuse, New York 1
Washington, D.C. 1

CURRENT NBA PRO BASKETBALL CITIES THAT HAVE NEVER WON THE QUEST FOR THE RING
-And they may never win unless they start reading QFTR!

Atlanta, Georgia 0
Charlotte, North Carolina 0
Cleveland, Ohio 0
Dallas, Texas 0
Denver, Colorado 0
Indianapolis, Indiana 0
Memphis, Tennessee 0
New Orleans, Louisiana 0
Newark, New Jersey 0
Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 0
Orlando, Florida 0
Phoenix, Arizona 0
Sacramento, California 0
Salt Lake City, Utah 0
Toronto, Canada 0

Thursday, August 26, 2010

Most Recognized High Impact Pro Basketball Players 1980-2010

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010
This brand new Report shows you every player who won a significant award and, using a carefully calibrated scale, ranks all the players who won one or more awards according to the relative value of all the awards and recognitions they won.

Scientifically speaking and in terms of who is going to win Championships and Rings, Real Player Ratings are more important than all of these recognitions combined. But this Report is what you need to keep up with the day to day and year to year media and popularity world that determines who the most famous pro basketball players are.

Basically, this Report combines all the media recognitions given to basketball players and computes an overall combined score that we call the "Recognition Score".

Fortunately, for the superstar basketball players there is a fairly good correlation between Real Player Ratings and Recognition Scores. Among mere stars the correlation is weaker. There are some players who were (or are) actually star pro basketball players, as could be shown by Real Player Ratings, but who have been very seldom and possibly never recognized with any of the awards.

The recognitions (awards) are defined and factored as follows:

RECOGNITION SCORE FACTORS
Hall of Fame 3.00
Most Valuable Player 3.00
Defensive Player of the Year 2.40
Rookie of the Year 1.75
Championship Rings 1.00
All NBA First Team 1.00
All NBA Defensive First Team 0.80
All NBA Second Team 0.75
All NBA Defensive Second Team 0.60
All NBA Rookie Team 0.40

The recognition weights are determined according to the following two considerations:

(1) How many have won the award or recognition. The fewer there are, the more difficult it is to win it, and the higher the factor. This is the primary item that determines how much the factor will be.

And (2) How valid is the award or recognition scientifically.

For example, the All NBA Teams are not a highly valid or scientific recognition. They are determined by votes of individuals who in most cases use their beliefs rather than any valid rating system such as Real Player Rating or the more well known but more complex Hollinger Player Efficiency Rating System at ESPN.

Specifically, the voting is conducted by a panel of sportswriters and broadcasters throughout the United States and Canada. Just like coaches sometimes do, sportswriters can and will sometimes make the mistake of bringing in player styles and personalities to their voting decisions, which will often lead to distortion of the ratings. This is because it is known beyond a shadow of a doubt that “how good” a player really is is a result of many things, of which style and personality are just two relatively minor ones. But what some misguided coaches and others do is get fixated (or hung up) on the styles and personalities themselves, and so they end up rating styles and personalities rather than basketball capabilities of players.

Therefore, the All NBA Teams recognitions are rated somewhat lower than they would be if it was a more scientific thing. If the All NBA Teams were chosen validly, the weights given to them would be as much as double what they are.

If in other words for example the First All NBA Team really was for sure the best five players in the NBA, you could justify using a factor for that twice as much as the factor for winning a Championship. After all, on a Championship starting team, you don't have the five best players in the NBA, but rather you have five of the better players, with perhaps one or two players on the Championship team among the top five players in the NBA. So if it were valid the All NBA First Team could be factored as twice as valuable. On the other hand, winning a Championship is very hard often difficult work, so we would never rate the All NBA First Team as worth more than twice what a Championship is worth even if the First Team was validly selected. In other words, we would never downplay how much hard work it is to win a Championship relative to how good a player is in the abstract.

But again, since the selection is not scientifically valid, we factor the All NBA First Team recognition as just the same as for winning a Championship (both are given a factor of 1.0).

EXAMPLE
How are Recognition Scores calculated? For example, if a player was on the All NBA Defensive First Team once, was Rookie of the Year once, and was Most Valuable Player twice, his recognition score would be (.80 X 1) + (1.75 X 1) + (3 X 2) = 8.55.

Note that for Championship Rings, only players who played 1,200 minutes or more in the year when their team won the Championship are included. We debated whether to use the 300 minutes threshold or the 1,200 minutes one, but decided to go with the 1,200 minutes one since players who played between 300 and 1,199 minutes played only a marginal role. However, this was a tough, close call and we might possibly change this for next year.

An interesting question is: what percentage of NBA players get recognized at least once? The answer is that roughly 15% (between 14% and 16%) get recognized at least one time during their careers. Roughly 85% never get recognized in any of the ten ways shown above.

Now its finally time for the breakdown of the most recognized pro basketball players from the last 31 years. There are two slightly different listings. The first one shows players ranked by their Recognition Scores.

The second listing down below will show players who have been recognized at least one time alphabetically (by first name).

========== MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010 ==========
--Ranked by Recognition Scores
--Ten recognitions are considered; for details see the explanation above
--Championship rings are counted only for players who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season their teams won
--The format for each entry is Rank / Player / Recognition Score

1 Michael Jordan 46.50
2 Tim Duncan 33.30
3 Hakeem Olajuwon 29.35
4 Larry Bird 27.70
5 Magic Johnson 26.15
6 Kobe Bryant 26.10
7 David Robinson 25.65
8 Karl Malone 25.40
9 Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
10 Scottie Pippen 22.10
11 Kevin Garnett 21.25
12 Ben Wallace 18.45
13 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 17.70
14 Gary Payton 17.35
15 Dennis Rodman 17.00
16 Moses Malone 16.05
17 Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
18 Charles Barkley 15.65
19 LeBron James 15.25
20 Jason Kidd 14.10
21 John Stockton 14.00
22 Michael Cooper 13.20
23 Dennis Johnson 12.55
24 Patrick Ewing 12.45
25 Sidney Moncrief 11.85
26 Kevin McHale 11.60
27 Steve Nash 11.50
28 Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
29 Julius Erving 11.00
30 Joe Dumars 10.95
31 Allen Iverson 10.90
32 Dwight Howard 10.90
33 Alonzo Mourning 9.55
34 Isiah Thomas 8.90
35 Bruce Bowen 8.80
36 Dominique Wilkins 8.40
37 Mark Eaton 8.40
38 Clyde Drexler 7.50
39 James Worthy 7.40
40 Robert Parish 7.25
41 Dwyane Wade 7.20
42 Alvin Robertson 7.15
43 George Gervin 6.75
44 Ron Artest 6.70
45 Horace Grant 6.40
46 Grant Hill 6.15
47 Robert Horry 6.00
48 Chris Webber 5.90
49 Buck Williams 5.70
50 Marcus Camby 5.60
51 Bobby Jones 5.60
52 Amare Stoudemire 5.40
53 Mitch Richmond 5.40
54 Chris Paul 5.30
55 Alex English 5.25
56 Tracy McGrady 5.25
57 Pau Gasol 5.15
58 Maurice Cheeks 4.80
59 Adrian Dantley 4.75
60 Ron Harper 4.40
61 Dan Roundfield 4.35
62 Tim Hardaway 4.15
63 Bill Walton 4.00
64 Bob McAdoo 4.00
65 Derek Fisher 4.00
66 Mookie Blaylock 4.00
67 Chauncey Billups 3.95
68 Tony Parker 3.90
69 Nate Archibald 3.75
70 Paul Pierce 3.65
71 A. C. Green 3.60
72 Dave Cowens 3.60
73 Drazen Petrovic 3.50
74 Kevin Johnson 3.50
75 Manu Ginobili 3.50
76 Bill Cartwright 3.40
77 Byron Scott 3.40
78 Tayshaun Prince 3.40
79 Terry Cummings 3.40
80 Vince Carter 3.40
81 Yao Ming 3.40
82 Derrick Coleman 3.15
83 Kevin Durant 3.15
84 B.J. Armstrong 3.00
85 Bob Lanier 3.00
86 Brandon Roy 3.00
87 Calvin J. Murphy 3.00
88 Chris Mullin 3.00
89 Dan Issel 3.00
90 David Thompson 3.00
91 Earl Monroe 3.00
92 Elvin E. Hayes 3.00
93 Luc Longley 3.00
94 Mario Elie 3.00
95 Pete Maravich 3.00
96 Rick Barry 3.00
97 Rick Fox 3.00
98 Toni Kukoc 3.00
99 Walt Frazier 3.00
100 Wes Unseld 3.00
101 Anfernee Hardaway 2.90
102 Elton Brand 2.90
103 Larry Johnson 2.90
104 Ralph Sampson 2.90
105 Quinn Buckner 2.80
106 Eddie Jones 2.70
107 Carmelo Anthony 2.65
108 Doug Christie 2.60
109 Mark Price 2.50
110 Andrei Kirilenko 2.40
111 Kenny Smith 2.40
112 Lamar Odom 2.40
113 Rajon Rondo 2.40
114 Bernard King 2.25
115 Glen Rice 2.25
116 Ray Allen 2.25
117 Shawn Kemp 2.25
118 Paul Pressey 2.20
119 Chuck Person 2.15
120 Damon Stoudamire 2.15
121 Darrell Griffith 2.15
122 Derrick Rose 2.15
123 Emeka Okafor 2.15
124 Mark Jackson 2.15
125 Mike Miller 2.15
126 Steve Francis 2.15
127 Tyreke Evans 2.15
128 Andrew Bynum 2.00
129 Bill Laimbeer 2.00
130 Brent Barry 2.00
131 Brian Shaw 2.00
132 Carl Herrera 2.00
133 Cedric Maxwell 2.00
134 Gerald Henderson 2.00
135 Jamaal Wilkes 2.00
136 James Edwards 2.00
137 James Posey 2.00
138 John Paxson 2.00
139 John Salley 2.00
140 Kurt Rambis 2.00
141 Larry Nance 2.00
142 Norm Nixon 2.00
143 Steve Kerr 2.00
144 Vernon Maxwell 2.00
145 Vinnie Johnson 2.00
146 Deron Williams 1.90
147 Charles Oakley 1.80
148 P.J. Brown 1.80
149 T. R. Dunn 1.80
150 Gilbert Arenas 1.75
151 Gus Williams 1.75
152 Jermaine O'Neal 1.75
153 Sam Cassell 1.75
154 Vin Baker 1.65
155 Caldwell Jones 1.60
156 Derrick McKey 1.60
157 Latrell Sprewell 1.60
158 Micheal Ray Richardson 1.60
159 Rick Mahorn 1.60
160 Scott Wedman 1.60
161 Shane Battier 1.60
162 Marques Johnson 1.50
163 Reggie Miller 1.50
164 Tom Chambers 1.50
165 Antoine Walker 1.40
166 Isaiah Rider 1.40
167 Jason Williams 1.40
168 Michael Finley 1.40
169 Raja Bell 1.40
170 Rodney McCray 1.40
171 Stephon Marbury 1.40
172 Wayne Rollins 1.40
173 Lafayette Lever 1.35
174 Clifford Robinson 1.20
175 Dan Majerle 1.20
176 Derek Harper 1.20
177 Kermit Washington 1.20
178 Nate McMillan 1.20
179 Theo Ratliff 1.20
180 Chris Bosh 1.15
181 Anthony Mason 1.10
182 Andrew Toney 1.00
183 Avery Johnson 1.00
184 Chris Ford 1.00
185 Clint Richardson 1.00
186 Corliss Williamson 1.00
187 Danny Ainge 1.00
188 Devean George 1.00
189 Devin Brown 1.00
190 Eddie House 1.00
191 Fabricio Oberto 1.00
192 Francisco Elson 1.00
193 Franklin Edwards 1.00
194 Jason Caffey 1.00
195 Jerry Sichting 1.00
196 Jim Chones 1.00
197 Jordan Farmar 1.00
198 Kendrick Perkins 1.00
199 Kirk Hinrich 1.00
200 Larry Spriggs 1.00
201 Lindsey Hunter 1.00
202 Malik Rose 1.00
203 Marc Iavaroni 1.00
204 Mark Aguirre 1.00
205 Mehmet Okur 1.00
206 Mychal Thompson 1.00
207 Otis Thorpe 1.00
208 Paul Westphal 1.00
209 Pete Chilcutt 1.00
210 Rasho Nesterovic 1.00
211 Richard Hamilton 1.00
212 Rick Robey 1.00
213 Samaki Walker 1.00
214 Sasha Vujacic 1.00
215 Scott Brooks 1.00
216 Scott Williams 1.00
217 Sean Elliott 1.00
218 Shannon Brown 1.00
219 Shawn Marion 1.00
220 Spencer Haywood 1.00
221 Stacey King 1.00
222 Stephen Jackson 1.00
223 Tiny Archibald 1.00
224 Tony Allen 1.00
225 Trevor Ariza 1.00
226 Udonis Haslem 1.00
227 Andrew Bogut 0.90
228 Antonio McDyess 0.90
229 Brad Daugherty 0.90
230 Jamal Mashburn 0.90
231 Don Buse 0.80
232 Gerald Wallace 0.80
233 Larry Hughes 0.80
234 Otis Birdsong 0.75
235 Peja Stojakovic 0.75
236 Rod Strickland 0.75
237 Anderson Varejao 0.60
238 Bill Hanzlik 0.60
239 Bobby Phills 0.60
240 Danny Vranes 0.60
241 Dudley Bradley 0.60
242 Eddie Johnson 0.60
243 Eric Snow 0.60
244 George Johnson 0.60
245 Jack Sikma 0.60
246 John Starks 0.60
247 Josh Smith 0.60
248 Lonnie Shelton 0.60
249 Manute Bol 0.60
250 Micheal Williams 0.60
251 Thabo Sefolosha 0.60
252 Baron Davis 0.50
253 Carlos Boozer 0.50
254 Dale Ellis 0.50
255 Detlef Schrempf 0.50
256 Joe Johnson 0.50
257 Juwan Howard 0.50
258 Kevin Willis 0.50
259 Michael Redd 0.50
260 Al Horford 0.40
261 Al Thornton 0.40
262 Andre Iguodala 0.40
263 Andre Miller 0.40
264 Andrea Bargnani 0.40
265 Armon Gilliam 0.40
266 Arvydas Sabonis 0.40
267 Ben Gordon 0.40
268 Billy Owens 0.40
269 Brandon Jennings 0.40
270 Brevin Knight 0.40
271 Brian Grant 0.40
272 Brook Lopez 0.40
273 Calvin Natt 0.40
274 Caron Butler 0.40
275 Channing Frye 0.40
276 Charles Smith 0.40
277 Charlie Villanueva 0.40
278 Christian Laettner 0.40
279 Clark Kellogg 0.40
280 Darius Miles 0.40
281 Darrell Walker 0.40
282 Darren Collison 0.40
283 David Greenwood 0.40
284 Dee Brown 0.40
285 Dennis Scott 0.40
286 Drew Gooden 0.40
287 Glenn Robinson 0.40
288 Greg Anderson 0.40
289 Hersey Hawkins 0.40
290 Jason Richardson 0.40
291 Jay Vincent 0.40
292 Jeff Green 0.40
293 Jeff Malone 0.40
294 Jeff Ruland 0.40
295 Jerry Stackhouse 0.40
296 Joe Barry Carroll 0.40
297 Joe Smith 0.40
298 John Williams 0.40
299 Jorge Garbajosa 0.40
300 Keith Van Horn 0.40
301 Kelly Tripucka 0.40
302 Kelvin Ransey 0.40
303 Kendall Gill 0.40
304 Kenyon Martin 0.40
305 LaMarcus Aldridge 0.40
306 LaPhonso Ellis 0.40
307 Larry Smith 0.40
308 Lionel Simmons 0.40
309 Luis Scola 0.40
310 Luol Deng 0.40
311 Marc Jackson 0.40
312 Matt Harpring 0.40
313 Michael Beasley 0.40
314 Mike Bibby 0.40
315 Morris Peterson 0.40
316 Nene Hilario 0.40
317 O.J. Mayo 0.40
318 Pooh Richardson 0.40
319 Quintin Dailey 0.40
320 Randy Foye 0.40
321 Rik Smits 0.40
322 Ron Mercer 0.40
323 Roy Tarpley 0.40
324 Rudy Gay 0.40
325 Russell Westbrook 0.40
326 Sam Bowie 0.40
327 Sam Perkins 0.40
328 Shareef Abdur-Rahim 0.40
329 Sherman Douglas 0.40
330 Stacey Augmon 0.40
331 Stephen Curry 0.40
332 Steve Smith 0.40
333 Steve Stipanovich 0.40
334 Taj Gibson 0.40
335 Thurl Bailey 0.40
336 Tom Gugliotta 0.40
337 Vlade Divac 0.40
338 Wally Szczerbiak 0.40
339 Willie Anderson 0.40
340 Xavier McDaniel 0.40
341 Zydrunas Ilgauskas 0.40

========== MOST RECOGNIZED HIGH IMPACT PRO BASKETBALL PLAYERS 1980-2010 ==========
--Shown Alphabetically
--Ten recognitions are considered; for details see the explanation above
--Championship rings are counted only for players who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season their teams won
--The format for each line is Player / Recognition Score

A. C. Green 3.60
Adrian Dantley 4.75
Al Horford 0.40
Al Thornton 0.40
Alex English 5.25
Allen Iverson 10.90
Alonzo Mourning 9.55
Alvin Robertson 7.15
Amare Stoudemire 5.40
Anderson Varejao 0.60
Andre Iguodala 0.40
Andre Miller 0.40
Andrea Bargnani 0.40
Andrei Kirilenko 2.40
Andrew Bogut 0.90
Andrew Bynum 2.00
Andrew Toney 1.00
Anfernee Hardaway 2.90
Anthony Mason 1.10
Antoine Walker 1.40
Antonio McDyess 0.90
Armon Gilliam 0.40
Arvydas Sabonis 0.40
Avery Johnson 1.00
B.J. Armstrong 3.00
Baron Davis 0.50
Ben Gordon 0.40
Ben Wallace 18.45
Bernard King 2.25
Bill Cartwright 3.40
Bill Hanzlik 0.60
Bill Laimbeer 2.00
Bill Walton 4.00
Billy Owens 0.40
Bob Lanier 3.00
Bob McAdoo 4.00
Bobby Jones 5.60
Bobby Phills 0.60
Brad Daugherty 0.90
Brandon Jennings 0.40
Brandon Roy 3.00
Brent Barry 2.00
Brevin Knight 0.40
Brian Grant 0.40
Brian Shaw 2.00
Brook Lopez 0.40
Bruce Bowen 8.80
Buck Williams 5.70
Byron Scott 3.40
Caldwell Jones 1.60
Calvin J. Murphy 3.00
Calvin Natt 0.40
Carl Herrera 2.00
Carlos Boozer 0.50
Carmelo Anthony 2.65
Caron Butler 0.40
Cedric Maxwell 2.00
Channing Frye 0.40
Charles Barkley 15.65
Charles Oakley 1.80
Charles Smith 0.40
Charlie Villanueva 0.40
Chauncey Billups 3.95
Chris Bosh 1.15
Chris Ford 1.00
Chris Mullin 3.00
Chris Paul 5.30
Chris Webber 5.90
Christian Laettner 0.40
Chuck Person 2.15
Clark Kellogg 0.40
Clifford Robinson 1.20
Clint Richardson 1.00
Clyde Drexler 7.50
Corliss Williamson 1.00
Dale Ellis 0.50
Damon Stoudamire 2.15
Dan Issel 3.00
Dan Majerle 1.20
Dan Roundfield 4.35
Danny Ainge 1.00
Danny Vranes 0.60
Darius Miles 0.40
Darrell Griffith 2.15
Darrell Walker 0.40
Darren Collison 0.40
Dave Cowens 3.60
David Greenwood 0.40
David Robinson 25.65
David Thompson 3.00
Dee Brown 0.40
Dennis Johnson 12.55
Dennis Rodman 17.00
Dennis Scott 0.40
Derek Fisher 4.00
Derek Harper 1.20
Deron Williams 1.90
Derrick Coleman 3.15
Derrick McKey 1.60
Derrick Rose 2.15
Detlef Schrempf 0.50
Devean George 1.00
Devin Brown 1.00
Dikembe Mutombo 15.95
Dirk Nowitzki 11.00
Dominique Wilkins 8.40
Don Buse 0.80
Doug Christie 2.60
Drazen Petrovic 3.50
Drew Gooden 0.40
Dudley Bradley 0.60
Dwight Howard 10.90
Dwyane Wade 7.20
Earl Monroe 3.00
Eddie House 1.00
Eddie Johnson 0.60
Eddie Jones 2.70
Elton Brand 2.90
Elvin E. Hayes 3.00
Emeka Okafor 2.15
Eric Snow 0.60
Fabricio Oberto 1.00
Francisco Elson 1.00
Franklin Edwards 1.00
Gary Payton 17.35
George Gervin 6.75
George Johnson 0.60
Gerald Henderson 2.00
Gerald Wallace 0.80
Gilbert Arenas 1.75
Glen Rice 2.25
Glenn Robinson 0.40
Grant Hill 6.15
Greg Anderson 0.40
Gus Williams 1.75
Hakeem Olajuwon 29.35
Hersey Hawkins 0.40
Horace Grant 6.40
Isaiah Rider 1.40
Isiah Thomas 8.90
Jack Sikma 0.60
Jamaal Wilkes 2.00
Jamal Mashburn 0.90
James Edwards 2.00
James Posey 2.00
James Worthy 7.40
Jason Caffey 1.00
Jason Kidd 14.10
Jason Richardson 0.40
Jason Williams 1.40
Jay Vincent 0.40
Jeff Green 0.40
Jeff Malone 0.40
Jeff Ruland 0.40
Jermaine O'Neal 1.75
Jerry Sichting 1.00
Jerry Stackhouse 0.40
Jim Chones 1.00
Joe Barry Carroll 0.40
Joe Dumars 10.95
Joe Johnson 0.50
Joe Smith 0.40
John Paxson 2.00
John Salley 2.00
John Starks 0.60
John Stockton 14.00
John Williams 0.40
Jordan Farmar 1.00
Jorge Garbajosa 0.40
Josh Smith 0.60
Julius Erving 11.00
Juwan Howard 0.50
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 17.70
Karl Malone 25.40
Keith Van Horn 0.40
Kelly Tripucka 0.40
Kelvin Ransey 0.40
Kendall Gill 0.40
Kendrick Perkins 1.00
Kenny Smith 2.40
Kenyon Martin 0.40
Kermit Washington 1.20
Kevin Durant 3.15
Kevin Garnett 21.25
Kevin Johnson 3.50
Kevin McHale 11.60
Kevin Willis 0.50
Kirk Hinrich 1.00
Kobe Bryant 26.10
Kurt Rambis 2.00
Lafayette Lever 1.35
Lamar Odom 2.40
LaMarcus Aldridge 0.40
LaPhonso Ellis 0.40
Larry Bird 27.70
Larry Hughes 0.80
Larry Johnson 2.90
Larry Nance 2.00
Larry Smith 0.40
Larry Spriggs 1.00
Latrell Sprewell 1.60
LeBron James 15.25
Lindsey Hunter 1.00
Lionel Simmons 0.40
Lonnie Shelton 0.60
Luc Longley 3.00
Luis Scola 0.40
Luol Deng 0.40
Magic Johnson 26.15
Malik Rose 1.00
Manu Ginobili 3.50
Manute Bol 0.60
Marc Iavaroni 1.00
Marc Jackson 0.40
Marcus Camby 5.60
Mario Elie 3.00
Mark Aguirre 1.00
Mark Eaton 8.40
Mark Jackson 2.15
Mark Price 2.50
Marques Johnson 1.50
Matt Harpring 0.40
Maurice Cheeks 4.80
Mehmet Okur 1.00
Michael Beasley 0.40
Michael Cooper 13.20
Michael Finley 1.40
Michael Jordan 46.50
Michael Redd 0.50
Micheal Ray Richardson 1.60
Micheal Williams 0.60
Mike Bibby 0.40
Mike Miller 2.15
Mitch Richmond 5.40
Mookie Blaylock 4.00
Morris Peterson 0.40
Moses Malone 16.05
Mychal Thompson 1.00
Nate Archibald 3.75
Nate McMillan 1.20
Nene Hilario 0.40
Norm Nixon 2.00
O.J. Mayo 0.40
Otis Birdsong 0.75
Otis Thorpe 1.00
P.J. Brown 1.80
Patrick Ewing 12.45
Pau Gasol 5.15
Paul Pierce 3.65
Paul Pressey 2.20
Paul Westphal 1.00
Peja Stojakovic 0.75
Pete Chilcutt 1.00
Pete Maravich 3.00
Pooh Richardson 0.40
Quinn Buckner 2.80
Quintin Dailey 0.40
Raja Bell 1.40
Rajon Rondo 2.40
Ralph Sampson 2.90
Randy Foye 0.40
Rasho Nesterovic 1.00
Ray Allen 2.25
Reggie Miller 1.50
Richard Hamilton 1.00
Rick Barry 3.00
Rick Fox 3.00
Rick Mahorn 1.60
Rick Robey 1.00
Rik Smits 0.40
Robert Horry 6.00
Robert Parish 7.25
Rod Strickland 0.75
Rodney McCray 1.40
Ron Artest 6.70
Ron Harper 4.40
Ron Mercer 0.40
Roy Tarpley 0.40
Rudy Gay 0.40
Russell Westbrook 0.40
Sam Bowie 0.40
Sam Cassell 1.75
Sam Perkins 0.40
Samaki Walker 1.00
Sasha Vujacic 1.00
Scott Brooks 1.00
Scott Wedman 1.60
Scott Williams 1.00
Scottie Pippen 22.10
Sean Elliott 1.00
Shane Battier 1.60
Shannon Brown 1.00
Shaquille O'Neal 22.45
Shareef Abdur-Rahim 0.40
Shawn Kemp 2.25
Shawn Marion 1.00
Sherman Douglas 0.40
Sidney Moncrief 11.85
Spencer Haywood 1.00
Stacey Augmon 0.40
Stacey King 1.00
Stephen Curry 0.40
Stephen Jackson 1.00
Stephon Marbury 1.40
Steve Francis 2.15
Steve Kerr 2.00
Steve Nash 11.50
Steve Smith 0.40
Steve Stipanovich 0.40
T. R. Dunn 1.80
Taj Gibson 0.40
Tayshaun Prince 3.40
Terry Cummings 3.40
Thabo Sefolosha 0.60
Theo Ratliff 1.20
Thurl Bailey 0.40
Tim Duncan 33.30
Tim Hardaway 4.15
Tiny Archibald 1.00
Tom Chambers 1.50
Tom Gugliotta 0.40
Toni Kukoc 3.00
Tony Allen 1.00
Tony Parker 3.90
Tracy McGrady 5.25
Trevor Ariza 1.00
Tyreke Evans 2.15
Udonis Haslem 1.00
Vernon Maxwell 2.00
Vin Baker 1.65
Vince Carter 3.40
Vinnie Johnson 2.00
Vlade Divac 0.40
Wally Szczerbiak 0.40
Walt Frazier 3.00
Wayne Rollins 1.40
Wes Unseld 3.00
Willie Anderson 0.40
Xavier McDaniel 0.40
Yao Ming 3.40
Zydrunas Ilgauskas 0.40

Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Players Ranked by Championship Minutes Played Since 1980

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

PLAYERS RANKED BY CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PLAYED SINCE 1980
There are two versions. The first listing is called the inclusive version. In this one all players who won who played 300 minutes or more during any and all Championship seasons are included. So the first listing includes all players except ones who played very, very little. Players who played fewer than 300 minutes are not listed in either version.

The second listing is called the strict version. In this one all players who played 1,200 minutes or more during any and all Championship seasons are included. The second listing includes only players who were starters or heavy minutes non-starters for much of the season.

Even our listings are technically incomplete, because they cover only the modern era, the years from 1979-80 to the present. We simply have very little interest in years prior to 1980. For one thing, there was no 3-point shot prior to 1980, which to QFTR is an indispensible part of basketball. In fact, if the 3-point shot was removed from the game, we would chances are shut down this Site.

Each entry consists of (1) The rank (2) The player (3) The total minutes the player was on the court during all seasons when he and his team won the Championship and (4) The number of rings. In this report the rankings are by total minutes.

QFTR's basketball history project, which has now grown to seven Reports scheduled for August each year, was originally motivated by the realization that no one anywhere has in one spot a complete listing of all players who have won rings and how many they won.

Just posted yesterday was the straight up ranking of players by number of rings won, was what originally motivated QFTR's history of basketball project. In this related but separate Report this information is shown with number of minutes for the rankings.

Minutes played are a pretty good approximation of how good the player was. So therefore when you rank by number of minutes, you are getting a relatively rough but halfway decent ranking according to how good the players were while they were winning their Championships. Many will agree that the listing by minutes rather than the straight up number of rings is the better "ultimate ranking" of pro basketball Champions.

Real Player Ratings produced by QFTR in very recent years are obviously better than number of minutes. In an ideal world, we would be able to calculate Real Player Ratings for all the Championship teams and rank by them rather than by minutes. In the real world, we don't right now have the resources to do this, mainly because the data needed to calculate hidden defending is not available for years prior to 2005-06.

Incidentally, we will in the not too distant future report out the Ratings for the 2006, 2007, and 2008 Championship teams. The Ratings for the 2008 Celtics were reported but in the relatively crude version with no hidden defending adjustments, so they need to be redone.

Getting back to the task at hand, we have to use minutes in these historical Reports. Always remember that, as the User Guide to the Real Player Rating system explains, when you compare two players, the player with more minutes is not necessarily the better player. But that is often true. The bigger the gap in minutes, the more likely it is that the player with more minutes was the better player.

The format in the first version just below is rank/player/number of rings/total minutes played during those Championship seasons. The sorting order is number of minutes.

========== PLAYERS RANKED BY CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PLAYED SINCE 1980 ==========
-Inclusive version: Includes all players in all Championship seasons who played 300 minutes or more
-Includes years 1980-2010

Rank / Player / Minutes / Rings
1 Michael Jordan 18,580 6
2 Scottie Pippen 16,873 6
3 Kobe Bryant 14,165 5
4 Magic Johnson 14,108 5
5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 13,199 5
6 Robert Horry 12,376 7
7 Dennis Rodman 11,476 5
8 Horace Grant 10,635 4
9 Michael Cooper 10,405 5
10 Shaquille O'Neal 10,315 4
11 Tim Duncan 10,072 4
12 Larry Bird 9,380 3
13 Derek Fisher 9,154 5
14 Ron Harper 9,091 5
15 James Worthy 8,170 3
16 Robert Parish 8,138 4
17 Byron Scott 8,082 3
18 Tony Parker 8,008 3
19 Bruce Bowen 7,657 3
20 A.C. Green 6,805 3
21 Jamaal Wilkes 6,778 3
22 Kevin McHale 6,619 3
23 Steve Kerr 6,585 5
24 Norm Nixon 6,250 2
25 Hakeem Olajuwon 6,130 2
26 B.J. Armstrong 6,098 3
27 Rick Fox 6,053 3
28 Toni Kukoc 5,948 3
29 Isiah Thomas 5,917 2
30 Manu Ginobili 5,684 3
31 Pau Gasol 5,402 2
32 Dennis Johnson 5,397 2
33 Bill Laimbeer 5,315 2
34 Cedric Maxwell 5,232 2
35 Kurt Rambis 5,107 4
36 Bill Cartwright 4,997 3
37 Joe Dumars 4,986 2
38 John Paxson 4,947 3
39 Lamar Odom 4,901 2
40 Luc Longley 4,816 3
41 Mario Elie 4,793 3
42 Vernon Maxwell 4,609 2
43 Kenny Smith 4,239 2
44 Otis Thorpe 4,097 2
45 Vinnie Johnson 4,045 2
46 Gerald Henderson 4,031 3
47 James Posey 3,735 2
48 Brian Shaw 3,713 3
49 John Salley 3,675 3
50 Danny Ainge 3,561 2
51 James Edwards 3,537 2
52 Stacey King 3,525 3
53 Andrew Bynum 3,423 2
54 Will Perdue 3,422 4
55 Malik Rose 3,403 3
56 Brent Barry 3,373 2
57 David Robinson 3,230 2
58 Mark Aguirre 3,073 2
59 Ben Wallace 3,050 1
60 Sam Cassell 3,004 2
61 Moses Malone 2,922 1
62 Dwyane Wade 2,892 1
63 Randy Brown 2,875 3
64 Paul Pierce 2,874 1
65 Tiny Archibald 2,820 1
66 Richard Hamilton 2,772 1
67 Chauncey Billups 2,758 1
68 Chris Ford 2,723 1
69 Tayshaun Prince 2,701 1
70 Devean George 2,697 3
71 Mychal Thompson 2,687 2
72 Jordan Farmar 2,666 2
73 Jason Caffey 2,660 3
74 Ray Allen 2,624 1
75 Carl Herrera 2,623 2
76 Ron Artest 2,605 1
77 Glen Rice 2,530 1
78 Udonis Haslem 2,491 1
79 Andrew Toney 2,474 1
80 Maurice Cheeks 2,465 1
81 Julius Erving 2,421 1
82 Scott Williams 2,396 3
83 Jim Chones 2,394 1
84 Kevin Garnett 2,328 1
85 Scott Wedman 2,318 2
86 Bill Wennington 2,315 3
87 Rajon Rondo 2,306 1
88 Gary Payton 2,305 1
89 Lindsey Hunter 2,277 2
90 Stephen Jackson 2,254 1
91 Antoine Walker 2,199 1
92 Beno Udrih 2,097 2
93 Jud Buechler 2,051 3
94 Cliff Levingston 2,033 2
95 Bob McAdoo 2,000 2
96 Trevor Ariza 1,998 1
97 Kendrick Perkins 1,912 1
98 Jason Williams 1,874 1
99 Sasha Vujacic 1,868 2
100 Michael Finley 1,823 1
101 Rick Mahorn 1,795 1
102 Rasho Nesterovic 1,785 1
103 Clint Richardson 1,755 1
104 Bobby Jones 1,749 1
105 Shannon Brown 1,700 1
106 Avery Johnson 1,672 1
107 Samaki Walker 1,655 1
108 Marc Iavaroni 1,612 1
109 Jerry Sichting 1,596 1
110 Mehmet Okur 1,580 1
111 Corliss Williamson 1,574 1
112 Rick Robey 1,569 1
113 Bill Walton 1,546 1
114 Spencer Haywood 1,544 1
115 Mitch Kupchak 1,537 2
116 Mike McGee 1,522 2
117 Sean Elliott 1,509 1
118 Mark Landsberger 1,508 2
119 Eddie House 1,480 1
120 Craig Hodges 1,398 2
121 Tony Allen 1,373 1
122 Fabricio Oberto 1,365 1
123 Pete Chilcutt 1,347 1
124 Adrian Dantley 1,341 1
125 Francisco Elson 1,332 1
126 Alonzo Mourning 1,302 1
127 Clyde Drexler 1,300 1
128 Larry Spriggs 1,292 1
129 Mark Madsen 1,291 2
130 Josh Powell 1,284 2
131 Franklin Edwards 1,266 1
132 Quinn Buckner 1,249 1
133 M.L. Carr 1,240 2
134 Wes Matthews 1,238 2
135 Devin Brown 1,238 1
136 Scott Brooks 1,225 1
137 Isaiah Rider 1,206 1
138 Luke Walton 1,166 1
139 Scott Burrell 1,096 1
140 Dickey Simpkins 1,080 2
141 Steve Smith 1,032 1
142 Rodney McCray 1,019 1
143 Earl Cureton 987 1
144 Jim Brewer 966 1
145 Glen Davis 940 1
146 Trent Tucker 909 1
147 Elden Campbell 892 1
148 Jaren Jackson 861 1
149 Mike Penberthy 851 1
150 Kevin Willis 840 1
151 Chucky Brown 814 1
152 Leon Powe 809 1
153 Vladimir Radmanovic 771 1
154 Bob Hansen 769 1
155 Billy Thompson 762 1
156 Jacque Vaughn 760 1
157 Rick Carlisle 760 1
158 Chucky Atkins 751 1
159 Stanislav Medvedenko 729 1
160 Dennis Hopson 728 1
161 Matt Bullard 725 1
162 Mitch Richmond 709 1
163 Bob Sura 707 1
164 Russ Schoene 702 1
165 Jerome Kersey 699 1
166 Tony Massenburg 699 1
167 Clemon Johnson 698 1
168 Rasheed Wallace 673 1
169 Jason Kapono 665 1
170 Matt Bonner 654 1
171 Shandon Anderson 638 1
172 Antonio Daniels 614 1
173 Eddie Jordan 608 1
174 Danny Ferry 601 1
175 Don Ford 580 1
176 Reggie Johnson 549 1
177 Brian Scalabrine 512 1
178 Mike James 512 1
179 Darvin Ham 484 1
180 Speedy Claxton 471 1
181 Tyronn Lue 468 1
182 Derek Anderson 465 1
183 Greg Kite 464 1
184 Greg Foster 451 1
185 Sam Vincent 432 1
186 Mike Smrek 421 1
187 Nazr Mohammed 414 1
188 Wayne Simien 414 1
189 Travis Knight 410 1
190 Frank Brickowski 404 1
191 Joe Kleine 397 1
192 David Thirdkill 385 1
193 Milt Wagner 380 1
194 Michael Doleac 371 1
195 Darrell Walker 367 1
196 Micheal Williams 358 1
197 D.J. Mbenga 355 1
198 Tim Breaux 340 1

The format in the second version just below is the same: rank/player/total minutes played during those Championship seasons/number of rings. The sorting order is number of minutes. What is different in the second version is that only players and seasons where the player played more than 1,200 minutes are counted.

========== PLAYERS RANKED BY CHAMPIONSHIP MINUTES PLAYED SINCE 1980 ==========
-Strict version: Includes all players in all Championship seasons who played 1,200 minutes or more
-Includes years 1980-2010

Rank / Player / Minutes / Rings
1 Michael Jordan 18,580 6
2 Scottie Pippen 16,873 6
3 Kobe Bryant 14,165 5
4 Magic Johnson 14,108 5
5 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 13,199 5
6 Dennis Rodman 11,476 5
7 Robert Horry 11,252 6
8 Horace Grant 10,635 4
9 Michael Cooper 10,405 5
10 Shaquille O'Neal 10,315 4
11 Tim Duncan 10,072 4
12 Larry Bird 9,380 3
13 Derek Fisher 8,445 4
14 James Worthy 8,170 3
15 Byron Scott 8,082 3
16 Tony Parker 8,008 3
17 Ron Harper 7,952 4
18 Robert Parish 7,732 3
19 Bruce Bowen 7,657 3
20 A.C. Green 6,805 3
21 Kevin McHale 6,619 3
22 Norm Nixon 6,250 2
23 Hakeem Olajuwon 6,130 2
24 B.J. Armstrong 6,098 3
25 Rick Fox 6,053 3
26 Jamaal Wilkes 6,017 2
27 Toni Kukoc 5,948 3
28 Isiah Thomas 5,917 2
29 Manu Ginobili 5,684 3
30 Pau Gasol 5,402 2
31 Dennis Johnson 5,397 2
32 Bill Laimbeer 5,315 2
33 Cedric Maxwell 5,232 2
34 Bill Cartwright 4,997 3
35 Joe Dumars 4,986 2
36 Lamar Odom 4,901 2
37 Luc Longley 4,816 3
38 Mario Elie 4,793 3
39 Vernon Maxwell 4,609 2
40 Kenny Smith 4,239 2
41 Vinnie Johnson 4,045 2
42 John Paxson 3,917 2
43 Steve Kerr 3,780 2
44 James Posey 3,735 2
45 Gerald Henderson 3,696 2
46 James Edwards 3,537 2
47 Andrew Bynum 3,423 2
48 Brent Barry 3,373 2
49 John Salley 3,372 2
50 David Robinson 3,230 2
51 Kurt Rambis 3,131 2
52 Brian Shaw 3,082 2
53 Ben Wallace 3,050 1
54 Moses Malone 2,922 1
55 Otis Thorpe 2,909 1
56 Dwyane Wade 2,892 1
57 Paul Pierce 2,874 1
58 Tiny Archibald 2,820 1
59 Richard Hamilton 2,772 1
60 Chauncey Billups 2,758 1
61 Chris Ford 2,723 1
62 Tayshaun Prince 2,701 1
63 Ray Allen 2,624 1
64 Carl Herrera 2,623 2
65 Ron Artest 2,605 1
66 Glen Rice 2,530 1
67 Udonis Haslem 2,491 1
68 Andrew Toney 2,474 1
69 Maurice Cheeks 2,465 1
70 Julius Erving 2,421 1
71 Danny Ainge 2,407 1
72 Jim Chones 2,394 1
73 Kevin Garnett 2,328 1
74 Rajon Rondo 2,306 1
75 Gary Payton 2,305 1
76 Stephen Jackson 2,254 1
77 Antoine Walker 2,199 1
78 Mychal Thompson 2,007 1
79 Mark Aguirre 2,005 1
80 Trevor Ariza 1,998 1
81 Malik Rose 1,933 1
82 Kendrick Perkins 1,912 1
83 Sam Cassell 1,882 1
84 Jason Williams 1,874 1
85 Michael Finley 1,823 1
86 Rick Mahorn 1,795 1
87 Rasho Nesterovic 1,785 1
88 Devean George 1,759 1
89 Clint Richardson 1,755 1
90 Bobby Jones 1,749 1
91 Shannon Brown 1,700 1
92 Avery Johnson 1,672 1
93 Samaki Walker 1,655 1
94 Lindsey Hunter 1,616 1
95 Marc Iavaroni 1,612 1
96 Jerry Sichting 1,596 1
97 Mehmet Okur 1,580 1
98 Corliss Williamson 1,574 1
99 Rick Robey 1,569 1
100 Bill Walton 1,546 1
101 Spencer Haywood 1,544 1
102 Sean Elliott 1,509 1
103 Eddie House 1,480 1
104 Jordan Farmar 1,474 1
105 Jason Caffey 1,405 1
106 Scott Wedman 1,402 1
107 Tony Allen 1,373 1
108 Scott Williams 1,369 1
109 Fabricio Oberto 1,365 1
110 Pete Chilcutt 1,347 1
111 Adrian Dantley 1,341 1
112 Francisco Elson 1,332 1
113 Alonzo Mourning 1,302 1
114 Clyde Drexler 1,300 1
115 Sasha Vujacic 1,293 1
116 Larry Spriggs 1,292 1
117 Stacey King 1,268 1
118 Franklin Edwards 1,266 1
119 Bob McAdoo 1,254 1
120 Quinn Buckner 1,249 1
121 Devin Brown 1,238 1
122 Scott Brooks 1,225 1
123 Isaiah Rider 1,206 1

Tuesday, August 24, 2010

Players Ranked by Number of Rings (Championships) Won Since 1980

Last year I discovered that nobody cares about how many rings pro basketball players have. Well, not exactly, but I discovered that no one cares enough to keep track and post the numbers on the Internet. I guess people don’t really respect NBA Champions the way they think they do. Even on monster statistical sites there is no page to go to listing NBA player champions year by year, or the number of rings won by player. Sure, you find short and usually incomplete lists of players who have won three or more rings drifting around, but forget about a complete list unless you get it here.

Quest for the Ring (QFTR) has provided the basketball world with the missing information and then some. Here for the second year we have the complete and correct listings for winners of the QFTR in multiple formats. Each year, scheduled for August, the following Reports are in this historical series:

1. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-1994
2. Players and Teams Who Won the Quest for the Ring 1995-2010
3. Alphabetic Logs of all Players Who Have Won the Quest for the Ring 1980-2010
4. Players Ranked by Number of Championships and Rings Won Since 1980
5. Players Ranked by Minutes Played in Championship Years Since 1980
6. Most Recognized High Impact Players 1980-2010
7. Cities and Franchises That Won the Quest for the Ring 1950-2010

In 2010 these will be posted one each day beginning with #1 on August 21 and finishing with #7 on August 27.

After these look for the new and improved Real Coach Ratings and the second annual Report on player salaries, team payrolls, and team cap space.

Championships are by themselves crucial history, but they are also very important for the present, because players who have already won rings are, all other things equal, more valuable than players who have never won a ring. You might as well add about .050 to each such player's Real Player Rating. So a .700 becomes a.750, an .870 becomes a .920, and so forth.

PLAYERS RANKED BY NUMBER OF RINGS (CHAMPIONSHIPS) WON SINCE 1980
There are two versions. The first listing is called the inclusive version. In this one all players who won who played 300 minutes or more during the season are included. Players who played fewer than 300 minutes are not listed in either version.

The second listing is called the strict version. In this one all players who won who played 1,200 minutes or more during the season are included. The first listing includes all players except ones who played very, very little. The second listing includes only players who were starters or heavy minutes non-starters for much of the season.

Even our listings are technically incomplete, because they cover only the modern era, the years from 1979-80 to the present. We simply have very little interest in years prior to 1980. For one thing, there was no 3-point shot prior to 1980, which to QFTR is an indispensible part of basketball. In fact, if the 3-point shot was removed from the game, we would chances are shut down this Site.

Each entry consists of (1) The rank (2) The player (3) The number of rings and (4) The total minutes the player was on the court during all seasons when he and his team won the Championship. In this report the ranking is by number of rings.

QFTR's basketball history project, which has now grown to seven Reports scheduled for August each year, was originally motivated by the realization that no one anywhere has in one spot a complete listing of all players who have won rings and how many they won.

This particular Report, the straight up ranking of players by number of rings won, was the one that originally motivated QFTR's history of basketball project. In a separate Report (posted tomorrow) this information is shown with number of minutes for the ranking. Minutes played are a pretty good approximation of how good the player was. So therefore when you rank by number of minutes, you are getting a relatively rough but halfway decent ranking according to how good the players were while they were winning their Championships. Many will agree that the listing by minutes rather than the straight up number of rings is the better "ultimate ranking" of pro basketball Champions.

Real Player Ratings produced by QFTR in very recent years are obviously better than number of minutes. In an ideal world, we would be able to calculate Real Player Ratings for all the Championship teams and rank by them rather than by minutes. In the real world, we don't right now have the resources to do this, mainly because the data needed to calculate hidden defending is not available for years prior to 2005-06.

Incidentally, we will in the not too distant future report out the Ratings for the 2006, 2007, and 2008 Championship teams. The Ratings for the 2008 Celtics were reported but in the relatively crude version with no hidden defending adjustments, so they need to be redone.

Getting back to the task at hand, we have to use minutes in these historical Reports. Always remember that, as the User Guide to the Real Player Rating system explains, when you compare two players, the player with more minutes is not necessarily the better player. But that is often true. The bigger the gap in minutes, the more likely it is that the player with more minutes was the better player.

The format in the first version just below is rank/player/number of rings/total minutes played during those Championship seasons. The sorting order is number of rings. But among players with the same number of rings, they are ranked according to number of minutes.

========== PLAYERS RANKED BY NUMBER OF RINGS (CHAMPIONSHIPS) WON SINCE 1980 ==========
-Inclusive version: Includes all players in all Championship seasons who played 300 minutes or more
-Includes years 1980-2010

Rank / Player / Rings / Minutes
1 Robert Horry 7 12,376
2 Michael Jordan 6 18,580
3 Scottie Pippen 6 16,873
4 Kobe Bryant 5 14,165
5 Magic Johnson 5 14,108
6 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 5 13,199
7 Dennis Rodman 5 11,476
8 Michael Cooper 5 10,405
9 Derek Fisher 5 9,154
10 Ron Harper 5 9,091
11 Steve Kerr 5 6,585
12 Horace Grant 4 10,635
13 Shaquille O'Neal 4 10,315
14 Tim Duncan 4 10,072
15 Robert Parish 4 8,138
16 Kurt Rambis 4 5,107
17 Will Perdue 4 3,422
18 Larry Bird 3 9,380
19 James Worthy 3 8,170
20 Byron Scott 3 8,082
21 Tony Parker 3 8,008
22 Bruce Bowen 3 7,657
23 A.C. Green 3 6,805
24 Jamaal Wilkes 3 6,778
25 Kevin McHale 3 6,619
26 B.J. Armstrong 3 6,098
27 Rick Fox 3 6,053
28 Toni Kukoc 3 5,948
29 Manu Ginobili 3 5,684
30 Bill Cartwright 3 4,997
31 John Paxson 3 4,947
32 Luc Longley 3 4,816
33 Mario Elie 3 4,793
34 Gerald Henderson 3 4,031
35 Brian Shaw 3 3,713
36 John Salley 3 3,675
37 Stacey King 3 3,525
38 Malik Rose 3 3,403
39 Randy Brown 3 2,875
40 Devean George 3 2,697
41 Jason Caffey 3 2,660
42 Scott Williams 3 2,396
43 Bill Wennington 3 2,315
44 Jud Buechler 3 2,051
45 Norm Nixon 2 6,250
46 Hakeem Olajuwon 2 6,130
47 Isiah Thomas 2 5,917
48 Pau Gasol 2 5,402
49 Dennis Johnson 2 5,397
50 Bill Laimbeer 2 5,315
51 Cedric Maxwell 2 5,232
52 Joe Dumars 2 4,986
53 Lamar Odom 2 4,901
54 Vernon Maxwell 2 4,609
55 Kenny Smith 2 4,239
56 Otis Thorpe 2 4,097
57 Vinnie Johnson 2 4,045
58 James Posey 2 3,735
59 Danny Ainge 2 3,561
60 James Edwards 2 3,537
61 Andrew Bynum 2 3,423
62 Brent Barry 2 3,373
63 David Robinson 2 3,230
64 Mark Aguirre 2 3,073
65 Sam Cassell 2 3,004
66 Mychal Thompson 2 2,687
67 Jordan Farmar 2 2,666
68 Carl Herrera 2 2,623
69 Scott Wedman 2 2,318
70 Lindsey Hunter 2 2,277
71 Beno Udrih 2 2,097
72 Cliff Levingston 2 2,033
73 Bob McAdoo 2 2,000
74 Sasha Vujacic 2 1,868
75 Mitch Kupchak 2 1,537
76 Mike McGee 2 1,522
77 Mark Landsberger 2 1,508
78 Craig Hodges 2 1,398
79 Mark Madsen 2 1,291
80 Josh Powell 2 1,284
81 M.L. Carr 2 1,240
82 Wes Matthews 2 1,238
83 Dickey Simpkins 2 1,080
84 Ben Wallace 1 3,050
85 Moses Malone 1 2,922
86 Dwyane Wade 1 2,892
87 Paul Pierce 1 2,874
88 Tiny Archibald 1 2,820
89 Richard Hamilton 1 2,772
90 Chauncey Billups 1 2,758
91 Chris Ford 1 2,723
92 Tayshaun Prince 1 2,701
93 Ray Allen 1 2,624
94 Ron Artest 1 2,605
95 Glen Rice 1 2,530
96 Udonis Haslem 1 2,491
97 Andrew Toney 1 2,474
98 Maurice Cheeks 1 2,465
99 Julius Erving 1 2,421
100 Jim Chones 1 2,394
101 Kevin Garnett 1 2,328
102 Rajon Rondo 1 2,306
103 Gary Payton 1 2,305
104 Stephen Jackson 1 2,254
105 Antoine Walker 1 2,199
106 Trevor Ariza 1 1,998
107 Kendrick Perkins 1 1,912
108 Jason Williams 1 1,874
109 Michael Finley 1 1,823
110 Rick Mahorn 1 1,795
111 Rasho Nesterovic 1 1,785
112 Clint Richardson 1 1,755
113 Bobby Jones 1 1,749
114 Shannon Brown 1 1,700
115 Avery Johnson 1 1,672
116 Samaki Walker 1 1,655
117 Marc Iavaroni 1 1,612
118 Jerry Sichting 1 1,596
119 Mehmet Okur 1 1,580
120 Corliss Williamson 1 1,574
121 Rick Robey 1 1,569
122 Bill Walton 1 1,546
123 Spencer Haywood 1 1,544
124 Sean Elliott 1 1,509
125 Eddie House 1 1,480
126 Tony Allen 1 1,373
127 Fabricio Oberto 1 1,365
128 Pete Chilcutt 1 1,347
129 Adrian Dantley 1 1,341
130 Francisco Elson 1 1,332
131 Alonzo Mourning 1 1,302
132 Clyde Drexler 1 1,300
133 Larry Spriggs 1 1,292
134 Franklin Edwards 1 1,266
135 Quinn Buckner 1 1,249
136 Devin Brown 1 1,238
137 Scott Brooks 1 1,225
138 Isaiah Rider 1 1,206
139 Luke Walton 1 1,166
140 Scott Burrell 1 1,096
141 Steve Smith 1 1,032
142 Rodney McCray 1 1,019
143 Earl Cureton 1 987
144 Jim Brewer 1 966
145 Glen Davis 1 940
146 Trent Tucker 1 909
147 Elden Campbell 1 892
148 Jaren Jackson 1 861
149 Mike Penberthy 1 851
150 Kevin Willis 1 840
151 Chucky Brown 1 814
152 Leon Powe 1 809
153 Vladimir Radmanovic 1 771
154 Bob Hansen 1 769
155 Billy Thompson 1 762
156 Jacque Vaughn 1 760
157 Rick Carlisle 1 760
158 Chucky Atkins 1 751
159 Stanislav Medvedenko 1 729
160 Dennis Hopson 1 728
161 Matt Bullard 1 725
162 Mitch Richmond 1 709
163 Bob Sura 1 707
164 Russ Schoene 1 702
165 Jerome Kersey 1 699
166 Tony Massenburg 1 699
167 Clemon Johnson 1 698
168 Rasheed Wallace 1 673
169 Jason Kapono 1 665
170 Matt Bonner 1 654
171 Shandon Anderson 1 638
172 Antonio Daniels 1 614
173 Eddie Jordan 1 608
174 Danny Ferry 1 601
175 Don Ford 1 580
176 Reggie Johnson 1 549
177 Brian Scalabrine 1 512
178 Mike James 1 512
179 Darvin Ham 1 484
180 Speedy Claxton 1 471
181 Tyronn Lue 1 468
182 Derek Anderson 1 465
183 Greg Kite 1 464
184 Greg Foster 1 451
185 Sam Vincent 1 432
186 Mike Smrek 1 421
187 Nazr Mohammed 1 414
188 Wayne Simien 1 414
189 Travis Knight 1 410
190 Frank Brickowski 1 404
191 Joe Kleine 1 397
192 David Thirdkill 1 385
193 Milt Wagner 1 380
194 Michael Doleac 1 371
195 Darrell Walker 1 367
196 Micheal Williams 1 358
197 D.J. Mbenga 1 355
198 Tim Breaux 1 340

The format in the second version just below is the same: rank/player/total minutes played during those Championship seasons/number of rings. The sorting order remains number of rings. But among players with the same number of rings, they are ranked according to number of minutes. What is different in the second version is that only players and seasons where the player played more than 1,200 minutes are counted.

========== PLAYERS RANKED BY NUMBER OF RINGS (CHAMPIONSHIPS) WON SINCE 1980 ==========
-Strict version: Includes all players in all Championship seasons who played 1,200 minutes or more
-Includes years 1980-2010

Rank / Player / Rings / Minutes
1 Michael Jordan 6 18,580
2 Scottie Pippen 6 16,873
3 Robert Horry 6 11,252
4 Kobe Bryant 5 14,165
5 Magic Johnson 5 14,108
6 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 5 13,199
7 Dennis Rodman 5 11,476
8 Michael Cooper 5 10,405
9 Horace Grant 4 10,635
10 Shaquille O'Neal 4 10,315
11 Tim Duncan 4 10,072
12 Derek Fisher 4 8,445
13 Ron Harper 4 7,952
14 Larry Bird 3 9,380
15 James Worthy 3 8,170
16 Byron Scott 3 8,082
17 Tony Parker 3 8,008
18 Robert Parish 3 7,732
19 Bruce Bowen 3 7,657
20 A.C. Green 3 6,805
21 Kevin McHale 3 6,619
22 B.J. Armstrong 3 6,098
23 Rick Fox 3 6,053
24 Toni Kukoc 3 5,948
25 Manu Ginobili 3 5,684
26 Bill Cartwright 3 4,997
27 Luc Longley 3 4,816
28 Mario Elie 3 4,793
29 Norm Nixon 2 6,250
30 Hakeem Olajuwon 2 6,130
31 Jamaal Wilkes 2 6,017
32 Isiah Thomas 2 5,917
33 Pau Gasol 2 5,402
34 Dennis Johnson 2 5,397
35 Bill Laimbeer 2 5,315
36 Cedric Maxwell 2 5,232
37 Joe Dumars 2 4,986
38 Lamar Odom 2 4,901
39 Vernon Maxwell 2 4,609
40 Kenny Smith 2 4,239
41 Vinnie Johnson 2 4,045
42 John Paxson 2 3,917
43 Steve Kerr 2 3,780
44 James Posey 2 3,735
45 Gerald Henderson 2 3,696
46 James Edwards 2 3,537
47 Andrew Bynum 2 3,423
48 Brent Barry 2 3,373
49 John Salley 2 3,372
50 David Robinson 2 3,230
51 Kurt Rambis 2 3,131
52 Brian Shaw 2 3,082
53 Carl Herrera 2 2,623
54 Ben Wallace 1 3,050
55 Moses Malone 1 2,922
56 Otis Thorpe 1 2,909
57 Dwyane Wade 1 2,892
58 Paul Pierce 1 2,874
59 Tiny Archibald 1 2,820
60 Richard Hamilton 1 2,772
61 Chauncey Billups 1 2,758
62 Chris Ford 1 2,723
63 Tayshaun Prince 1 2,701
64 Ray Allen 1 2,624
65 Ron Artest 1 2,605
66 Glen Rice 1 2,530
67 Udonis Haslem 1 2,491
68 Andrew Toney 1 2,474
69 Maurice Cheeks 1 2,465
70 Julius Erving 1 2,421
71 Danny Ainge 1 2,407
72 Jim Chones 1 2,394
73 Kevin Garnett 1 2,328
74 Rajon Rondo 1 2,306
75 Gary Payton 1 2,305
76 Stephen Jackson 1 2,254
77 Antoine Walker 1 2,199
78 Mychal Thompson 1 2,007
79 Mark Aguirre 1 2,005
80 Trevor Ariza 1 1,998
81 Malik Rose 1 1,933
82 Kendrick Perkins 1 1,912
83 Sam Cassell 1 1,882
84 Jason Williams 1 1,874
85 Michael Finley 1 1,823
86 Rick Mahorn 1 1,795
87 Rasho Nesterovic 1 1,785
88 Devean George 1 1,759
89 Clint Richardson 1 1,755
90 Bobby Jones 1 1,749
91 Shannon Brown 1 1,700
92 Avery Johnson 1 1,672
93 Samaki Walker 1 1,655
94 Lindsey Hunter 1 1,616
95 Marc Iavaroni 1 1,612
96 Jerry Sichting 1 1,596
97 Mehmet Okur 1 1,580
98 Corliss Williamson 1 1,574
99 Rick Robey 1 1,569
100 Bill Walton 1 1,546
101 Spencer Haywood 1 1,544
102 Sean Elliott 1 1,509
103 Eddie House 1 1,480
104 Jordan Farmar 1 1,474
105 Jason Caffey 1 1,405
106 Scott Wedman 1 1,402
107 Tony Allen 1 1,373
108 Scott Williams 1 1,369
109 Fabricio Oberto 1 1,365
110 Pete Chilcutt 1 1,347
111 Adrian Dantley 1 1,341
112 Francisco Elson 1 1,332
113 Alonzo Mourning 1 1,302
114 Clyde Drexler 1 1,300
115 Sasha Vujacic 1 1,293
116 Larry Spriggs 1 1,292
117 Stacey King 1 1,268
118 Franklin Edwards 1 1,266
119 Bob McAdoo 1 1,254
120 Quinn Buckner 1 1,249
121 Devin Brown 1 1,238
122 Scott Brooks 1 1,225
123 Isaiah Rider 1 1,206

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--How and why the playoffs are something completely different from the regular season, and why your team may be simply not prepared for them despite a lot of regular season wins

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--How and why the owner of the Nuggets shortchanged and cheated his team out of a possible Championship
--How and why being physical alone can not win you a Championship
--How and why the Nuggets' high fouling defense will take them only so far
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--How and why George Karl's obsession with personalities is wrong and bad for any team
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--How and why George Karl cheats the fans and the franchise out of performance and development of "reserve" players
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NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

POSITION AND TEAM CODES
In the Real Player and related ratings shown for the League, two codes follow each players' name (and before his rating). The first code tells you the players' team and the second one tells you his position.

TEAM CODES
ATLA Atlanta Hawks
BOST Boston Celtics
CHAR Charlotte Bobcats
CHIC Chicago Bulls
CLEV Cleveland Cavaliers
DALL Dallas Mavericks
DENV Denver Nuggets
DETR Detroit Pistons
GOLS Golden State Warriors
HOUS Houston Rockets
INDI Indiana Pacers
LACL Los Angeles Clippers
LALK Los Angeles Lakers
MEMP Memphis Grizzlies
MIAM Miami Heat
MILW Milwaukee Bucks
MINN Minnesota Timberwolves
NJRS New Jersey Nets
NORL New Orleans Hornets
NWYR New York Knicks
OKLA Oklahoma Thunder
ORLA Orlando Magic
PHIL Philadelphia 76'ers
PHNX Phoenix Suns
PORT Portland Trailblazers
SACR Sacramento Kings
SANA San Antonio Spurs
TORO Toronto Raptors
UTAH Utah Jazz
WASH Washington Wizards

POSITION CODES
PG Point Guard
SG Shooting Guard
SF Small Forward
PF Power Forward
C Center

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Preferably should not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Generally should not start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
2009-10 REGULAR SEASON

--Shows the real quality of players
--Includes all tracked actions and also includes untracked or hidden defending
--The average Real Player Rating for all players who play 300 minutes or more is about .700.
--All players who have played at least 300 minutes are included here and in all other ratings to follow in coming days

MAJOR HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
1 LeBron James CLEV SF 1.382
2 Tim Duncan SANA PF 1.254
3 Chris Paul NORL PG 1.202
4 Dwight Howard ORLA C 1.121
5 Andrew Bogut MILW C 1.112

HISTORIC SUPERSTARS
6 Steve Nash PHNX PG 1.095
7 Jason Kidd DALL PG 1.092
8 Rajon Rondo BOST PG 1.084
9 Deron Williams UTAH PG 1.076
10 Dwyane Wade MIAM SG 1.075
11 Marcus Camby LACL C 1.071
12 Pau Gasol LALK PF 1.065
13 Greg Oden PORT C 1.060
14 Kevin Durant OKLA SF 1.051
15 Dirk Nowitzki DALL PF 1.034
16 Josh Smith ATLA SF 1.033
17 Kevin Garnett BOST PF 1.033
18 Manu Ginobili SANA SG 1.023
19 Kobe Bryant LALK SG 1.005

SUPERSTARS
20 Carlos Boozer UTAH PF 0.994
21 Lamar Odom LALK PF 0.982
22 Andrei Kirilenko UTAH SF 0.976
23 Chris Bosh TORO PF 0.972
24 David Lee NWYR C 0.971
25 Al Horford ATLA C 0.970
26 Marcus Camby PORT C 0.967
27 Jameer Nelson ORLA PG 0.959
28 Joakim Noah CHIC C 0.955
29 John Salmons MILW SF 0.937
30 Andrew Bynum LALK C 0.936
31 Troy Murphy INDI PF 0.934
32 Kevin Love MINN PF 0.934
33 Anderson Varejao CLEV C 0.933
34 Brendan Haywood DALL C 0.929
35 Vince Carter ORLA SG 0.928
36 Gerald Wallace CHAR SF 0.918
37 Sergio Rodriguez SACR PG 0.908
38 Tyrus Thomas CHIC PF 0.904
39 Derrick Rose CHIC PG 0.903

STARS
40 Baron Davis LACL PG 0.899
41 Russell Westbrook OKLA PG 0.897
42 Zach Randolph MEMP PF 0.885
43 Danny Granger INDI SF 0.885
44 Marc Gasol MEMP C 0.885
45 Joe Johnson ATLA SG 0.883
46 Chauncey Billups DENV PG 0.883
47 Roy Hibbert INDI C 0.880
48 Ben Wallace DETR C 0.877
49 Andre Miller PORT PG 0.874
50 Carmelo Anthony DENV SF 0.874
51 Brandon Jennings MILW PG 0.870
52 Tyrus Thomas CHAR PF 0.870
53 A.J. Price INDI PG 0.868
54 Paul Millsap UTAH PF 0.866
55 Craig Smith LACL PF 0.865
56 Samuel Dalembert PHIL C 0.864
57 Andre Iguodala PHIL SG 0.858
58 Raymond Felton CHAR PG 0.857
59 Delonte West CLEV SG 0.856
60 Al Jefferson MINN C 0.856
61 Eric Maynor OKLA PG 0.856
62 Serge Ibaka OKLA PF 0.855
63 Nene Hilario DENV C 0.852
64 Chris Andersen DENV PF 0.849
65 Shaquille O'Neal CLEV C 0.842
66 Brandon Roy PORT SG 0.842
67 Ryan Anderson ORLA PF 0.840
68 Antonio McDyess SANA PF 0.839
69 Tony Parker SANA PG 0.837
70 Paul Pierce BOST SF 0.836
71 Mo Williams CLEV PG 0.835
72 Kyle Lowry HOUS PG 0.835
73 Ersan Ilyasova MILW SF 0.828
74 Amare Stoudemire PHNX PF 0.828
75 Luke Ridnour MILW PG 0.827
76 Erick Dampier DALL C 0.826
77 Tyreke Evans SACR PG 0.825
78 Andris Biedrins GOLS C 0.825
79 Kyle Korver UTAH SG 0.824
80 Anthony Randolph GOLS PF 0.820

VERY GOOD PLAYERS / SOLID STARTERS
81 Eric Maynor UTAH PG 0.819
82 Carlos Arroyo MIAM PG 0.819
83 Antawn Jamison CLEV PF 0.819
84 Nazr Mohammed CHAR C 0.818
85 Luol Deng CHIC SF 0.817
86 Dorell Wright MIAM SG 0.817
87 LaMarcus Aldridge PORT PF 0.817
88 Carl Landry HOUS PF 0.816
89 Luis Scola HOUS PF 0.816
90 Nick Collison OKLA PF 0.812
91 Carlos Delfino MILW SG 0.809
92 Kendrick Perkins BOST C 0.807
93 Jermaine O'Neal MIAM C 0.805
94 Nate Robinson NWYR PG 0.804
95 Goran Dragic PHNX PG 0.803
96 Mike Bibby ATLA PG 0.803
97 Stephen Curry GOLS PG 0.803
98 Mehmet Okur UTAH C 0.800
99 Jose Calderon TORO PG 0.797
100 Jason Terry DALL SG 0.791
101 Ronnie Price UTAH PG 0.784
102 DeJuan Blair SANA PF 0.784
103 Chris Kaman LACL C 0.783
104 Shaun Livingston WASH PG 0.783
105 Joel Przybilla PORT C 0.782
106 David West NORL PF 0.781
107 John Salmons CHIC SF 0.776
108 Matt Barnes ORLA SF 0.775
109 Darren Collison NORL PG 0.775
110 Ronny Turiaf GOLS C 0.774
111 Udonis Haslem MIAM PF 0.774
112 Shawn Marion DALL SF 0.772
113 Jason Williams ORLA PG 0.771
114 Keyon Dooling NJRS PG 0.771
115 Andray Blatche WASH C 0.770
116 James Harden OKLA SG 0.770
117 Brook Lopez NJRS C 0.770
118 Ray Allen BOST SG 0.770
119 Amir Johnson TORO SF 0.769
120 Ty Lawson DENV PG 0.768
121 Beno Udrih SACR PG 0.768
122 Chuck Hayes HOUS PF 0.765
123 Matt Bonner SANA PF 0.763
124 Reggie Evans TORO PF 0.763
125 Gilbert Arenas WASH PG 0.760

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS / GOOD ENOUGH TO START
126 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLEV C 0.758
127 Rasheed Wallace BOST PF 0.757
128 Lou Williams PHIL SG 0.756
129 Stephen Jackson CHAR SF 0.754
130 Dan Gadzuric MILW C 0.754
131 Jamario Moon CLEV SF 0.754
132 Ron Artest LALK SF 0.752
133 Rodney Stuckey DETR PG 0.749
134 Shelden Williams BOST PF 0.748
135 Oleksiy Pecherov MINN C 0.748
136 Aaron Brooks HOUS PG 0.747
137 Boris Diaw CHAR PF 0.746
138 C.J. Watson GOLS PG 0.746
139 Brendan Haywood WASH C 0.744
140 Emeka Okafor NORL C 0.742
141 Taj Gibson CHIC PF 0.741
142 J.R. Smith DENV SG 0.738
143 Mike Miller WASH SF 0.732
144 Channing Frye PHNX C 0.731
145 Louis Amundson PHNX PF 0.731
146 Elton Brand PHIL PF 0.726
147 D.J. Mbenga LALK C 0.725
148 Tayshaun Prince DETR SF 0.724
149 Francisco Garcia SACR SG 0.724
150 Tyler Hansbrough INDI PF 0.724
151 Trevor Ariza HOUS SG 0.723
152 Allen Iverson PHIL SG 0.722
153 Rashard Lewis ORLA PF 0.721
154 Richard Jefferson SANA SF 0.721
155 Luc Richard Mbah a Moute MILW SF 0.721
156 Jamal Crawford ATLA SG 0.721
157 Brad Miller CHIC C 0.720
158 Josh Boone NJRS C 0.718
159 Jason Richardson PHNX SG 0.718
160 Sebastian Telfair LACL PG 0.717
161 Marvin Williams ATLA PF 0.716
162 David Andersen HOUS C 0.715
163 Caron Butler DALL SF 0.715
164 Michael Beasley MIAM PF 0.714
165 George Hill SANA PG 0.713
166 Ronnie Brewer UTAH SG 0.712
167 D.J. Augustin CHAR PG 0.712
168 Monta Ellis GOLS PG 0.711
169 Sean May SACR PF 0.710
170 Anthony Tolliver GOLS PF 0.709
171 Kenyon Martin DENV PF 0.709
172 Tyson Chandler CHAR C 0.709
173 Rodrigue Beaubois DALL PG 0.707
174 Stephen Jackson GOLS SF 0.704
175 Shane Battier HOUS SF 0.703
176 Stephen Graham CHAR SF 0.702
177 Mike Conley MEMP PG 0.702
178 Earl Watson INDI PG 0.701
179 T.J. Ford INDI PG 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS / OFTEN GOOD 6TH MAN PLAYERS
180 Ramon Sessions MINN PG 0.699
181 Corey Maggette GOLS SF 0.699
182 Marcin Gortat ORLA PF 0.698
183 Terrence Williams NJRS SG 0.698
184 Jarrett Jack TORO PG 0.698
185 James Singleton WASH SF 0.696
186 JaVale McGee WASH C 0.694
187 Jose Juan Barea DALL PG 0.694
188 Marcus Thornton NORL SG 0.693
189 Daequan Cook MIAM SG 0.691
190 Jordan Farmar LALK PG 0.689
191 Kirk Hinrich CHIC PG 0.689
192 Carl Landry SACR PF 0.689
193 Shannon Brown LALK PG 0.687
194 Anthony Carter DENV PG 0.686
195 Jason Thompson SACR PF 0.686
196 Mike Dunleavy INDI SF 0.686
197 Robin Lopez PHNX C 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SACR C 0.680
199 Rudy Fernandez PORT SG 0.678
200 Drew Gooden LACL PF 0.678
201 Steve Blake LACL PG 0.677
202 Bobby Simmons NJRS SF 0.676
203 Larry Hughes NWYR SG 0.675
204 Jerry Stackhouse MILW SF 0.675
205 Quentin Richardson MIAM SG 0.675
206 Rudy Gay MEMP SF 0.675
207 Darko Milicic MINN C 0.674
208 Drew Gooden DALL PF 0.674
209 Reggie Williams GOLS SF 0.673
210 Ronald Murray CHAR SG 0.671
211 Grant Hill PHNX SF 0.669
212 Nate Robinson BOST PG 0.668
213 Travis Outlaw LACL SF 0.668
214 Steve Blake PORT PG 0.667
215 Devin Harris NJRS PG 0.665
216 Antawn Jamison WASH PF 0.665
217 Danilo Gallinari NWYR SF 0.664
218 Wilson Chandler NWYR SF 0.664
219 Gerald Henderson CHAR SG 0.664
220 Tony Allen BOST SG 0.663
221 Kyrylo Fesenko UTAH C 0.662
222 Anthony Morrow GOLS SG 0.661
223 Jordan Hill HOUS PF 0.661
224 Jared Dudley PHNX SF 0.660
225 Daniel Gibson CLEV PG 0.660
226 Jeff Green OKLA PF 0.659
227 Josh McRoberts INDI PF 0.659
228 Anthony Johnson ORLA PG 0.658
229 J.J. Redick ORLA SG 0.658
230 Al Harrington NWYR PF 0.655
231 Luther Head INDI PG 0.654
232 Nicolas Batum PORT SF 0.653
233 Theo Ratliff CHAR C 0.650
234 Mario Chalmers MIAM PG 0.648
235 Brandon Bass ORLA PF 0.648
236 Kris Humphries NJRS PF 0.646
237 Chris Duhon NWYR PG 0.643
238 Nenad Krstic OKLA C 0.642
239 Kris Humphries DALL PF 0.642

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS / USUALLY DO NOT START
240 Rasho Nesterovic TORO C 0.637
241 Hedo Turkoglu TORO SF 0.635
242 Johan Petro DENV C 0.635
243 Randy Foye WASH PG 0.634
244 Jrue Holiday PHIL PG 0.633
245 Mickael Pietrus ORLA SG 0.631
246 Jared Jeffries NWYR PF 0.627
247 Leandro Barbosa PHNX SG 0.626
248 Joel Anthony MIAM C 0.624
249 O.J. Mayo MEMP SG 0.622
250 Chase Budinger HOUS SF 0.621
251 Roger Mason SANA SG 0.619
252 Caron Butler WASH SF 0.617
253 Peja Stojakovic NORL SF 0.615
254 Marreese Speights PHIL PF 0.613
255 Jamaal Tinsley MEMP PG 0.613
256 Bobby Brown NORL PG 0.611
257 Jonas Jerebko DETR SF 0.610
258 Omri Casspi SACR SF 0.609
259 Kurt Thomas MILW PF 0.608
260 Thaddeus Young PHIL SF 0.607
261 Brandon Rush INDI SG 0.606
262 Hasheem Thabeet MEMP C 0.605
263 Damien Wilkins MINN SG 0.601
264 Rodney Carney PHIL SF 0.601
265 Earl Boykins WASH PG 0.599
266 J.J. Hickson CLEV PF 0.599
267 Willie Green PHIL SG 0.598
268 Anthony Parker CLEV SG 0.596
269 Jamaal Magloire MIAM C 0.594
270 Wesley Matthews UTAH SG 0.592
271 Devean George GOLS SG 0.592
272 Richard Hamilton DETR SG 0.592
273 Kevin Martin SACR SG 0.591
274 Andrea Bargnani TORO C 0.591
275 Ryan Gomes MINN SF 0.589
276 Thabo Sefolosha OKLA SF 0.589
277 Rafer Alston NJRS PG 0.589
278 Tracy McGrady NWYR SG 0.588
279 Marco Belinelli TORO SG 0.587
280 Michael Finley BOST SF 0.585
281 Marcus Williams MEMP PG 0.583
282 Martell Webster PORT SG 0.583
283 Charlie Villanueva DETR PF 0.582

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS / RARELY START
284 Derek Fisher LALK PG 0.578
285 Jannero Pargo CHIC PG 0.577
286 Toney Douglas NWYR PG 0.577
287 Chris Hunter GOLS PF 0.576
288 Derrick Brown CHAR SF 0.575
289 Yi Jianlian NJRS PF 0.575
290 Nathan Jawai MINN PF 0.575
291 Ime Udoka SACR SG 0.574
292 Sergio Rodriguez NWYR PG 0.574
293 Arron Afflalo DENV SG 0.573
294 Kevin Martin HOUS SG 0.572
295 Hakim Warrick MILW PF 0.571
296 Al Thornton WASH SF 0.569
297 Will Bynum DETR PG 0.568
298 Jonny Flynn MINN PG 0.568
299 James Posey NORL SF 0.564
300 Mikki Moore GOLS C 0.561
301 Darius Songaila NORL PF 0.561
302 Jerryd Bayless PORT PG 0.556
303 Jon Brockman SACR PF 0.554
304 Sasha Vujacic LALK SG 0.554
305 Dante Cunningham PORT SF 0.551
306 Michael Redd MILW SG 0.551
307 Eric Gordon LACL SG 0.550
308 C.J. Miles UTAH SF 0.549
309 Al Thornton LACL SF 0.547
310 Julian Wright NORL SF 0.545
311 Jeff Teague ATLA PG 0.544
312 Marquis Daniels BOST SG 0.543
313 Dahntay Jones INDI SG 0.542
314 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJRS SG 0.541
315 Zaza Pachulia ATLA C 0.538
316 Etan Thomas OKLA C 0.538
317 Sonny Weems TORO SG 0.537
318 Devin Brown NORL SG 0.533
319 Jason Maxiell DETR PF 0.532
320 Bill Walker NWYR SG 0.532
321 Courtney Lee NJRS SG 0.528
322 James Jones MIAM SF 0.525
323 Donte Greene SACR SF 0.524
324 Kenny Thomas SACR PF 0.523
325 Wayne Ellington MINN SG 0.521
326 Juwan Howard PORT PF 0.520

POOR PLAYERS / SHOULD NEVER START
327 Charlie Bell MILW SG 0.518
328 Corey Brewer MINN SF 0.518
329 Hakim Warrick CHIC PF 0.514
330 DeAndre Jordan LACL C 0.512
331 Rasual Butler LACL SG 0.509
332 Glen Davis BOST PF 0.508
333 Sam Young MEMP SF 0.508
334 Austin Daye DETR SF 0.507
335 Ronald Murray CHIC SG 0.504
336 Vladimir Radmanovic GOLS SF 0.494
337 Solomon Jones INDI PF 0.493
338 Ben Gordon DETR SG 0.491
339 James Johnson CHIC PF 0.487
340 Rafer Alston MIAM PG 0.482
341 Eduardo Najera DALL PF 0.482
342 Chucky Atkins DETR PG 0.477
343 Earl Clark PHNX SF 0.474
344 Joey Graham DENV SF 0.473
345 Fabricio Oberto WASH C 0.468
346 Jason Smith PHIL PF 0.466
347 Andres Nocioni SACR SF 0.464
348 Jared Jeffries HOUS PF 0.462
349 Nick Young WASH SG 0.462
350 Maurice Evans ATLA SF 0.462
351 Keith Bogans SANA SG 0.462
352 Josh Howard DALL SF 0.460

VERY POOR PLAYERS
353 Eddie House NWYR SG 0.454
354 Joe Smith ATLA PF 0.453
355 Kwame Brown DETR C 0.452
356 Antoine Wright TORO SF 0.451
357 Darrell Arthur MEMP PF 0.443
358 Jarvis Hayes NJRS SF 0.438
359 Ricky Davis LACL SF 0.437
360 Mardy Collins LACL PG 0.436
361 Malik Hairston SANA SG 0.433
362 Jeff Pendergraph PORT PF 0.432
363 Jermaine Taylor HOUS SG 0.428
364 Chris Wilcox DETR C 0.417
365 DeMar DeRozan TORO SG 0.414
366 Jodie Meeks MILW SG 0.413
367 Quinton Ross DALL SF 0.406

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
368 Morris Peterson NORL SG 0.394
369 Josh Powell LALK PF 0.386
370 Jason Kapono PHIL SG 0.383
371 Jawad Williams CLEV SF 0.369
372 DeMarre Carroll MEMP SF 0.357
373 Ryan Hollins MINN C 0.351
374 Steve Novak LACL SF 0.345
375 Trenton Hassell NJRS SF 0.342
376 Brian Scalabrine BOST C 0.329
377 Michael Finley SANA SF 0.321
378 Sasha Pavlovic MINN SG 0.314
379 DeShawn Stevenson WASH SG 0.287
380 Malik Allen DENV PF 0.282
381 DaJuan Summers DETR SF 0.266

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A well above normal starter 0.820 0.899
Very Good Player / A solid starter 0.760 0.819
Major Role Player / Good enough to start 0.700 0.759
Good Role Player / Often a good 6th man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player / Usually do not start 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player / Rarely start 0.520 0.579
Poor Player / Should never start 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player .399 and less

AVERAGE RATINGS BY POSITION
Not all positions are created equal. These are the average ratings by position among all NBA players who play 300 minutes or more. There are very few small forwards and shooting guards who are superstars. Most (but definitely not all) superstars are players who can play point guard, power forward, or center.

Point Guard .750
Shooting Guard .640
Small Forward .640
Power Forward .720
Center .750
All Positions / All Players (NBA Overall Average) .700

PLAYOFF GRADE PLAYERS
Playoff Grade Players have ratings of .560 and higher. Players with ratings below .560 should not play in the playoffs unless the team is forced to play them so that they have two players at a position and/or so that the team has at least eight players playing in the playoffs and/or because the coach is absolutely certain the low rating player will play better in the playoffs than he did in the regular season.

REGULAR SEASON STARTING PLAYERS
All starters on all teams should have ratings of .575 and higher. If a team has no player at a postion with at least a .575 rating, then it is extremely deficient at that position due to injuries or due to management incompetence.

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